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Dr. Doom
12-09-2011, 16:09
I know it is early, but it is nice to have a place to talk about the draft.

Here are the latest rankings:
ISS: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=51588
CSS: http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=75380&navid=DL|NHL|Microsite-Draft2012

What position would you like to be selected in the 1st round? What positions would you like to see in the later rounds? What players would you like to draft? Etc.

Devilsfanatic
12-09-2011, 16:14
I'd like to pick 1st overall and win the Stanley Cup.

Which is what the Caps could do if they figure it out :laugh:

Dr. Doom
12-09-2011, 16:18
I'd like to pick 1st overall and win the Stanley Cup.

Which is what the Caps could do if they figure it out :laugh:
I'm still mad that Colorado made that trade. How the hell could you let the Caps draft more talent and in the deepest draft in some time?

I may do a nice little write up on some draft stuff for us. Most likely not tonight or even the next week. It depends on how finals stuff goes.

devilzrule27
12-09-2011, 16:34
I got my eyes on Marty Frk or Pontus Aberg. Though I think Aberg may be a quick riser similar to Zibby last draft. I mean just going back to the summer few had him in their top 30 and now he's 8th on TSN's list.

Also have heard good things about Cristoval Nieves.

Dr. Doom
12-13-2011, 10:54
Craig Button December rankings: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

JimEIV
12-13-2011, 10:57
Craig Button December rankings: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649
How the hell was this guy ever a GM?

Dr. Doom
12-13-2011, 10:59
I think it's clear why he isn't one anymore.

Getzo5
12-13-2011, 11:08
How the hell was this guy ever a GM?How the hell is that guy paid to be an analyst?

devilzrule27
12-13-2011, 11:16
How the hell is that guy paid to be an analyst?

If Milbury can get a job judging other GMs and teams on TV, then anyone can. haha

Dr. Doom
12-17-2011, 18:59
ISS December rankings: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=51588

jkrdevil
12-17-2011, 19:22
How the hell was this guy ever a GM?

I think he had Larsson rated down in the teens up until draft day last year.

Dr. Doom
12-18-2011, 11:57
Here is my take on the 2012 draft for the Devils.

Our current prospect depth is well supplied with defensemen. I see our current needs as a center or right wing. The 2012 draft has been hyped to be one of the deepest drafts since possibly 2003. There seems to be a lot of top end defensive talent as well as some offensive talent that might fall down due to the amount of defenseman at the top. If a high end defensive talent manages to fall to the Devils there is no way they will be passed on, but it may lead to trading down. Another possible option could be to select a defenseman and package current defensive prospects for a center or right wing prospect.

Here are some names to keep an eye out for. I'm going to avoid the guys that are pretty much given to go in the top 5 or so because it isn't realistic for us to select them. Some players I'm going to list will be good options in the 2nd round. I'm going to try to rank each category in order of preference to select within.

Center:
Alexander Galchenyuk
Zemgus Girgensons
Brendan Gaunce
Nicholas Kerdiles
Jarrod Maidens

Right Wing:
Sebastian Collberg
Martin Frk
Teuvo Teravianen
Henrik Samuelsson

Left Wing:
Pontus Aberg
Anton Slepyshev
Nikolai Prokhorkin

Defense:
Morgan Rielly
Griffin Reinhart
Jacob Trouba
Cody Ceci
Olli Maatta
Slater Koekkoek
Derrick Pouliot
Matt Finn
Mike Matheson
Jordan Schmaltz
Nick Ebert
Dalton Thrower

We may be luck and a player like Galchenyuk, Rielly, or Koekkoek may drop due to injury. All three are out for the rest of the 2012 season, so we may be able to get a steal in the middle of the 1st round. Also, a top talent like Ebert has been dropping lately and we may be able to pick him up in the 2nd round. There is still a lot of time before the draft and there will still be a lot of movement outside of the top 5, which at this point is Yakupov, Grigorenko, Murray, Forsberg and Dumba.

Getzo5
12-18-2011, 19:14
Athanasiou should be a late 1st rounder right? Damn, hopefully Philly won`t get him.

Galchenyuk (if slips), Gaunce (best fit IMO), Collberg, --- (no more LWers), Reilly (if slips), Ceci (if slips), Koekkoek (if slips), Schmaltz... and maybe Ebert.

I`d rather take a healthy player, but getting someone like Galchenyuk... you just can`t say no.

Let`s draft more forwards for a change.

Dr. Doom
12-18-2011, 19:24
I think the best fits for us are either, Girgensons or Rielly. The problem is that they might both be gone by the time we are picking. I'm not too crazy about Athanasiou or Marcantuoni.

Dr. Doom
12-26-2011, 13:35
Here's a great site to listen to interviews with prospects.
http://www.thepipelineshow.com/media.php?s=1312171200&e=1325307600&sn=7

Dr. Doom
01-14-2012, 09:44
CS Mid-term rankings
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=56839

The more I think of it and the more I look at our prospect pool, I would really like us to focus on forwards in the draft. The only way I would like to see us take a defenseman is if it is someone you just can't pass on.

Getzo5
01-14-2012, 13:11
CS Mid-term rankings
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=56839

The more I think of it and the more I look at our prospect pool, I would really like us to focus on forwards in the draft. The only way I would like to see us take a defenseman is if it is someone you just can't pass on.This is what we`ve been saying for a while (me, Saugus and CD).

JimEIV
01-14-2012, 15:03
I really like what I saw from Trouba at the WJC.

JimEIV
01-14-2012, 15:06
CS Mid-term rankings
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=56839

The more I think of it and the more I look at our prospect pool, I would really like us to focus on forwards in the draft. The only way I would like to see us take a defenseman is if it is someone you just can't pass on.

How many years do you have to be a devil fan to know Conte and company are going to take what they believe is the best available regardless of position?

Dr. Doom
01-14-2012, 15:18
I really like what I saw from Trouba at the WJC.
I really liked him too, but unless we miss the playoffs he won't be around where we are.

How many years do you have to be a devil fan to know Conte and company are going to take what they believe is the best available regardless of position?
I know this. I'm just stating that we have an abundance of defensemen, to a point that I don't even know what we are going to do with all of them. At the same time we are clearly lacking offensive talent. There are sometimes where you have to look at what an organization needs. There is a reason they drafted so many defensemen in the last years and it isn't because they were clearly the best pick available. You have to look at both BPA and need. It's the same as the year we took both Clermont and Wedgewood. We needed goalie prospects so they drafted them.

Getzo5
01-14-2012, 18:29
I really like what I saw from Trouba at the WJC.I liked him too. But no thanks. We really need a solid forward + Trouba means dummy in Czech. I have hard time not laughing at Sova (owl), don`t make me laugh even harder. Imagine how Patty would feel about that. "Hey dummy, pass it down low goddammit!" lmao


How many years do you have to be a devil fan to know Conte and company are going to take what they believe is the best available regardless of position?You don`t have to be a Devils fan for many years to know what they`ve been doing since 2008.

BPA concept is ALWAYS debatable.

jkrdevil
01-14-2012, 19:17
You can never have too many defensemen. If they are decent they will at least have high value down the road for forward help.

Getzo5
01-15-2012, 05:24
You can never have too many defensemen. If they are decent they will at least have high value down the road for forward help.Yep, you can only have too many LWers. haha

If someone like Reilly falls, it`s a no-brainer, no question about that, but it`s always about the priorities.

Dr. Doom
01-16-2012, 09:51
Button's January Rankings
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

I'm starting to get into draft mode. I just listened to all the interviews on the pipeline show.

Dr. Doom
01-17-2012, 09:09
ISS January Rankings
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=57124

Getzo5
01-17-2012, 09:22
I don`t feel like changing my picks yet.

I`ll just wait for mid-spring rankings/our final standings and decide which way I`d like to see them go.

Dr. Doom
02-07-2012, 08:36
Bob McKenzie's rankings come out tonight.

vonbonds
02-07-2012, 08:54
Reading on HF in their draft thread this doesn't seem as deep a pool as originally thought. If we keep on winning at this clip this could be our forfeit year.

Dr. Doom
02-07-2012, 09:01
Reading on HF in their draft thread this doesn't seem as deep a pool as originally thought. If we keep on winning at this clip this could be our forfeit year.
I saw that bob mckenzie tweeted yesterday that it wasn't a deep draft, but I have to disagree. I think this draft is loaded with a lot of talent. The problem that scouts may be having is that most of the top talent are defensemen, past the top end forwards the forwards are power forwards (longer to develop and tough to end up being top 6 player), and lastly over hype of a player from their first season in juniors.

I think it would be a huge mistake to forfeit our pick this year unless we are lower than 25ish. There are a lot of players that I'm interested in.

Dr. Doom
02-07-2012, 09:15
For those of you that don't already listen to it and are really interested in the draft, I would highly suggest listening to The Pipeline Show. I posted the link to it earlier in the thread but I'll post it again.

Interviews from August to December: http://www.thepipelineshow.com/media.php?s=1312171200&e=1325307600&sn=7

Interviews from January to July: http://www.thepipelineshow.com/media.php?s=1325394000&e=1343707200&sn=7

vonbonds
02-07-2012, 09:20
Pretty cool, I missed your previous post. Too bad this isn't in iTunes so I could just add it to my podcast download list.

Dr. Doom
02-07-2012, 16:55
McKenzie's Midseason Rankings: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=58415

Classic Devil
02-07-2012, 18:14
McKenzie's Midseason Rankings: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=58415

There really aren't very many 1st line forwards/1st pairing defensemen on that list.

Devilsfanatic
02-07-2012, 18:15
I noticed that too. I'd forfeit the pick this year.

Classic Devil
02-07-2012, 18:16
I noticed that too. I'd forfeit the pick this year.

Yeah. Gotta go for it this year.

Dr. Doom
02-07-2012, 18:27
I disagree, but to each his own.

Devilsfanatic
02-07-2012, 18:28
And we have two second rounders, two third rounders and a fourth. So I'd say go for it this year. I wish I could know if Galchenyuk was going to really drop or not before I make that choice.

Dr. Doom
02-07-2012, 18:38
It really depends on where we finish. Also, how do you know that next years class won't be even weaker? I like the idea of putting it off until the last year. Stock up on as many prospects as you can before having to give up that pick so that the farm isn't hurting so much.

Classic Devil
02-07-2012, 18:44
It really depends on where we finish. Also, how do you know that next years class won't be even weaker? I like the idea of putting it off until the last year. Stock up on as many prospects as you can before having to give up that pick so that the farm isn't hurting so much.

That logic is always going to work. For me it comes down to going to Conte at the end of the year and asking him if there's anyone he really, really likes who he thinks is going to be available. If yes, keep it. If no, lose it. That simple.

Dr. Doom
02-07-2012, 18:52
That logic is always going to work. For me it comes down to going to Conte at the end of the year and asking him if there's anyone he really, really likes who he thinks is going to be available. If yes, keep it. If no, lose it. That simple.
The thing is, there are guys that should be available that I really like and I'm sure they Devils will too. They won't last until our picks in the 2nd round, so I doubt we would be willing to watch all of the guys we want get scooped up and be stuck with the leftovers. Hell, I think we try to move up in the 1st round and go after someone we really want.

Remember when everyone was saying the 2011 draft was so weak and then all of the sudden they were talking about how it was a strong draft. I don't buy into all of that crap.

Classic Devil
02-07-2012, 18:56
The thing is, there are guys that should be available that I really like and I'm sure they Devils will too. They won't last until our picks in the 2nd round, so I doubt we would be willing to watch all of the guys we want get scooped up and be stuck with the leftovers. Hell, I think we try to move up in the 1st round and go after someone we really want.

Remember when everyone was saying the 2011 draft was so weak and then all of the sudden they were talking about how it was a strong draft. I don't buy into all of that crap.

There have been years where Conte basically liked no one. The Corrente draft was one.

jkrdevil
02-07-2012, 18:58
There have been years where Conte basically liked no one. The Corrente draft was one.

How long can we wait until giving up the pick. Can we wait up until the pick? So if someone we wanted is gone we can walk up and say we aren't picking?

Dr. Doom
02-07-2012, 19:10
There have been years where Conte basically liked no one. The Corrente draft was one.
There are a couple of guys that scream two way top 6 forward that the Devils would like. Also, there are great defensemen that would possibly be available. After I finish my hw I'll get all of their names and try to see if I can find pipeline interviews with them. Like I was saying earlier, those interviews are great for players you don't know much about.

Dr. Doom
02-07-2012, 19:10
How long can we wait until giving up the pick. Can we wait up until the pick? So if someone we wanted is gone we can walk up and say we aren't picking?
We have to do it by the end of the playoffs.

Classic Devil
02-07-2012, 19:13
We have to do it by the end of the playoffs.

I believe we have twenty-four hours from the end of the SCFs.

Devilsfanatic
02-07-2012, 19:43
With two seconds, if you really like someone, you can move up to the first, and really, it's like you're forfeiting your second round pick instead.

Dr. Doom
02-07-2012, 19:50
With two seconds, if you really like someone, you can move up to the first, and really, it's like you're forfeiting your second round pick instead.
except the fact that you are getting a more talented player...

Devilsfanatic
02-07-2012, 19:52
Exactly, it seems like Lou has built the draft picks in this year to forfeit this time around. But who really knows.

Dr. Doom
02-07-2012, 19:58
I think in the end forfeiting this year would be a huge mistake.

Devilsfanatic
02-07-2012, 20:03
Any year sucks, but this year I feel is the year to do it. McKenzie is underwhelmed by it.

Dr. Doom
02-07-2012, 20:27
Ok here are some guys that I think would be great picks in the 1st round and why we should hold onto our pick this year. I'm going to assume that we are somewhere from 16-25. It's tough because of all of the different rankings knowing where people will go, but I'll try to make assumptions. I'm going to take McKenzie's rankings into account the most since his are usually the most spot on.

Slater Koekkoek: http://www.thepipelineshow.com/clips/season_7/Slater_Koekkoek_Oct15.mp3
Sebastian Collberg
Derrick Pouliot: http://www.thepipelineshow.com/clips/season_7/Derrick_Pouliot_Sept17.mp3
Pontus Aberg
Thomas Wilson
Brady Skjei
Tomas Hertl
Martin Frk: http://www.thepipelineshow.com/clips/season_7/Martin_Frk_Feb4.mp3
Phillip Di Giuseppe: http://www.thepipelineshow.com/clips/season_7/Phil_DiGiuseppe_Dec7.mp3
Jordan Schmaltz: http://www.thepipelineshow.com/clips/season_7/Jordan_Schmaltz_Jan24.mp3
Nicolas Kerdiles
Daniil Zharkov
Ludvig Bystrom

I believe all of these guys have the potential to be top 6 forwards or top 4 defensemen. They are also the type of players at our positions that would definitely be beneficial to have.

I like Henrik Samuelsson, but I'll wait until he plays a little more time in the WHL before making a complete decision on him.

You also have to consider if guys like Faksa, Girgensons, Ceci, Gaunce, or Maatta dropping to where we are or to a place that we can trade to.

I believe there are definitely enough reasons to hang onto our pick. Imagine if someone like Rielly or Galchenyuk start to drop because of their injuries? That's the thing about the draft, a lot can happen. No one thought Ryan Murphy was going to go #12 last year or Fowler would go #12 or Gormley would go #13. It's the same way we got Parise.

Zajac's Bowl Cut
02-07-2012, 20:44
it still angers me to no end we have to forfeit

whoever gets picked 1st in round 2 gets robbed of being a 1st round pick

Dr. Doom
02-13-2012, 15:17
Craig Button February: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

Dr. Doom
02-16-2012, 08:07
ISS top 30 February: http://thepipelineshow.blogspot.com/2012/02/iss-february-rankings.html

devilzrule27
02-16-2012, 08:18
Hmm they rank Galchenyuk kinda low. I know he's been hurt but he's simply not going to fall very far and his talent level alone should put him ahead of a lot of the guys in front of him. He plans are coming back by the end of the year so that should help his stock even more.

On the flip side I like where they rank Trouba. I too feel he's the best dman in the draft.

Dr. Doom
02-16-2012, 08:43
Yeah, that won't last. Galchenyuk will be the next forward after Yakupov, Grigorenko, and Forsberg. My favorite is apice trying to tell me he wouldn't take Galchenyuk, Rielly, or Koekkoek because of their injuries. If a talent like that slips to you because they got hurt during the season you have to scoop them up. It might be a little risky, but it is worth the reward.

vonbonds
02-16-2012, 09:46
The last high risk/high reward player we drafted with an injury issue was Adrian Foster. I know nothing about the current crop but that didn't go to well...:laugh:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=50638

Dr. Doom
02-16-2012, 11:11
These guys I'm talking about are elite. Especially Galchenyuk and Rielly.

Dr. Doom
03-01-2012, 08:20
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=388658
looks like grigorenko might fall

Devilsfanatic
03-01-2012, 08:26
I wish Galchenyuk would fall. But if Grigorenko falls, and he's there when the Devils pick, they should take him. I don't think they'd let that happen and be scared off by a kid.

Dr. Doom
03-01-2012, 08:30
I was shocked by that article. I think he is a great talent. I guess some teams are worried about his work ethic and booking to Russia. I'd pick him within a second if he was available where we are.

I'm really starting to like Teravainen if he is around when we are picking.

devilzrule27
03-01-2012, 08:41
No real surprise to see Phil Di Giuseppe on the fallers list. I never saw the first round potential from the get go, saw him more as a second to third rounder. Still a good player but playing on Michigans 3rd line the scoring was bound to fall off at some point and it did, fast.

devilzrule27
03-01-2012, 08:43
Also I don't think Grigs falls out of the top 10. Too much talent. Lazy players have been selected in the 1st round before and all of them had much less natural talent then him. He wont fall far if at all.

Dr. Doom
03-01-2012, 08:44
I agree. I thought he was a given at #2, unless it's the oilers picking, but now I'm not so sure.

Dr. Doom
03-05-2012, 14:12
I was bored so I decided to update my mock draft. Please make comments.

1. Columbus – Yakupov
2. Edmonton – Murray
3. Montreal – Trouba
4. Carolina – Grigorenko
5. New York Islanders – Forsberg
6. Minnesota – Dumba
7. Anaheim – Galchenyuk
8. Toronto – Faksa
9. Buffalo – Reinhart
10. Tampa Bay – Ceci
11. Washington – Rielly
12. Calgary – Girgensons
13. Winnipeg – Finn
14. Colorado – Gaunce
15. Los Angeles – Skjei
16. San Jose – Koekkoek
17. Florida – Collberg
18. Dallas – Maatta
19. Phoenix – Aberg
20. Ottawa – Pouliot
21. New Jersey – Teravainen
22. Chicago – Bystrom
23. Boston – Kerdiles
24. Philadelphia – Vasilevski
25. Pittsburgh – Lindholm
26. Nashville – Wilson
27. Detroit – Hertl
28. St. Louis – Matteau
29. Vancouver – Thrower
30. New York Rangers – Sissons

vonbonds
03-05-2012, 14:28
So Teravainen is a bigger Tedenby?

Dr. Doom
03-05-2012, 14:33
I don't know if I would say that, but if he weighed more he would easily be being discussed in the top 10 and some feel like he is currently in the top 10. I have a feeling when it is the day of the draft teams will be afraid of his size. He is 5'11", so he has room to grow.

devilzrule27
03-05-2012, 15:07
I think Trouba is the top dman in the draft so naturally i think the Oilers should take him at 2 but Murray is damn good too. I think the Isles would take Galchenyuk at 5 if he's there, a perfect fit. I think Aberg goes in the 14-16 range. And I like Hertl for us at 20. Big body, knows how to use his size, and has the skill to complement that size.

devilzrule27
03-05-2012, 15:08
Oh also I would be floored if Philly went goalie in the first round. Makes no sense for them when their prospect pool is shallow outside of their kids already in the NHL.

Dr. Doom
03-07-2012, 14:11
So the order of my draft was wrong because of division leaders and I also forgot about all the 1st round picks that were traded, so here is an updated draft with some other changes as well.


1. Columbus – Yakupov
2. Edmonton – Murray
3. Montreal – Grigorenko
4. Carolina – Forsberg
5. New York Islanders – Galchenyuk
6. Minnesota – Trouba
7. Toronto – Faksa
8. Anaheim – Dumba
9. Buffalo – Reinhart
10. Tampa Bay – Ceci
11. Washington – Rielly
12. Calgary – Girgensons
13. Winnipeg – Finn
14. Washington – Collberg
15. Los Angeles – Gaunce
16. San Jose – Skjei
17. Phoenix – Aberg
18. Ottawa– Koekkoek
19. Chicago – Maatta
20. New Jersey – Teravainen
21. Philadelphia – Pouliot
22. Buffalo – Hertl
23. Pittsburgh– Bystrom
24. Tampa Bay – Vasilevski
25. Florida* – Lindholm
26. Dallas* – Wilson
27. Boston *– Kerdiles
28. Vancouver* – Thrower
29. St. Louis* – Matteau
30. New York Rangers* – Sissons

Dr. Doom
03-12-2012, 12:23
Button's March rankings
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

Devilsfanatic
03-12-2012, 12:33
Don't worry, NYR won't have the 30th pick.

devilzrule27
03-12-2012, 12:37
Like always I think that Button comes in way to low on Trouba

Dr. Doom
03-12-2012, 12:39
I think Trouba may be the best d-man in this draft. He looked great at the WJC. Murray will probably still be the first d-man taken though.

Button really likes Dumba. He's gonna be good, but I don't think he's the 2nd best player in the draft.

Devilsfanatic
03-12-2012, 12:54
If Dumba doesn't wear #55 I'll be disappointed.

devilzrule27
03-12-2012, 12:58
I think Trouba may be the best d-man in this draft. He looked great at the WJC. Murray will probably still be the first d-man taken though.

Button really likes Dumba. He's gonna be good, but I don't think he's the 2nd best player in the draft.

Me and you are on the same page with that. Everything I see, hear, and read about Trouba makes me love him even more. Can't wait until he's at Michigan next year! He'll be the perfect replacement for Merrill. ;)

Dr. Doom
03-12-2012, 13:03
Trouba-Merrill pairing for Michigan = not fair

I don't see Edmonton taking Trouba though.

devilzrule27
03-12-2012, 13:06
Trouba-Merrill pairing for Michigan = not fair

I don't see Edmonton taking Trouba though.

Some may disagree with me but I know there are others who will agree Edmonton hates taking the best player available. There I said it. **** Hall **** RNH. Long term they would have been better off taking other players. Seguin, better. Larsson and Landeskog will also be better more complete players. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Dr. Doom
03-12-2012, 13:12
I don't know if I can agree with that, but they have to take a defenseman with their first pick this year.

devilzrule27
03-12-2012, 13:14
Yes they do and lets watch them not do it. hahaha

Dr. Doom
03-12-2012, 13:16
Yes they do and lets watch them not do it. hahaha
When their fans say they should take Grigorenko, I just :facepalm:

devilzrule27
03-12-2012, 13:20
When they are fighting for the number 1 pick again next year they can debate Mac and Jones!

Dr. Doom
03-12-2012, 13:21
Their argument was that they have plenty of d-man prospects and no forward prospects...which is because all of their forward prospects are currently in the NHL :laugh:

devilzrule27
03-12-2012, 13:29
And their D prospects suck balls.

Never been a fan of Klefbom. Hell the whole lot of them get over rated by whoever their writer is on HF. The one guy they have that I like is Marincin but he's a bit one dimensional. Still good but I don't ever see him as a number one dman. They simply don't have that an they desperately need it.

Dr. Doom
03-12-2012, 13:32
What are the odds that they are picking top 5 next year again? They are starting to come together, but they seem to unravel as a game goes on and as the season goes on.

devilzrule27
03-12-2012, 13:34
It will depend on how many injuries they get but I think there will be a good chance of it happening again next year.

Lord Ned Stark
03-12-2012, 13:42
It will depend on how many injuries they get but I think there will be a good chance of it happening again next year.

give them 2 d men and a goalie and watch out

Dr. Doom
03-12-2012, 13:57
give them 2 d men and a goalie and watch out
only 2 d-men and a goalie :laugh:

Getzo5
03-12-2012, 14:01
And their D prospects suck balls.

Never been a fan of Klefbom. Hell the whole lot of them get over rated by whoever their writer is on HF. The one guy they have that I like is Marincin but he's a bit one dimensional. Still good but I don't ever see him as a number one dman. They simply don't have that an they desperately need it.Definitely not, but he`s really solid. I`m glad you like him.

Surprised many people in Slovakia too. Expectations weren`t too high for him back in 2009.

Dr. Doom
03-12-2012, 14:13
This BPA **** that people try to pull is so fucking dumb.

devilzrule27
03-12-2012, 14:26
This BPA **** that people try to pull is so fucking dumb.

BPA and need go hand and hand. For most teams the best guy available according to their lists is more then likely the player they need.

Getzo5
03-12-2012, 14:31
BPA and need go hand and hand. For most teams the best guy available according to their lists is more then likely the player they need.In draft with 7 centers, 10 wingers, 10 defensemen and 3 goalies that`s called coincidence. The BPA is a myth unless we talk about obvious talent falling for whatever reason. Like Couturier last year.

Dr. Doom
03-12-2012, 14:37
BPA and need go hand and hand. For most teams the best guy available according to their lists is more then likely the player they need.
I tried to explain this last year but it didn't get through to anyone. It's the reason Colorado and Florida didn't take Larsson...

Devilsfanatic
03-12-2012, 14:48
Plus, Landeskog is just better anyway. Huberdeau can't play C, so it's a problem.

Zajac's Bowl Cut
03-12-2012, 14:51
I still can't believe Edmonton traded Gilbert with the diddly-poo D prospects they have

makes no sense

Dr. Doom
03-12-2012, 14:54
I still can't believe Edmonton traded Gilbert with the diddly-poo D prospects they have

makes no sense
The did get Nick Schultz, so it isn't like they lost a d-man.

Zajac's Bowl Cut
03-12-2012, 14:54
Gilbert >>> Schultz

Devilsfanatic
03-12-2012, 14:55
Schultz is better than Gilbert, IMO.

Gilbert gets points, but Schultzy is miles ahead defensively.

Getzo5
03-12-2012, 14:56
Schultz is better than Gilbert, IMO.

Gilbert gets points, but Schultzy is miles ahead defensively.Ditto. And he`s a good mentor/character. Exactly what they needed. Petry made Gilbert kinda expendable.

Dr. Doom
03-12-2012, 14:57
Edmonton needs to give up less goals, which is why they made the trade.

Dr. Doom
03-13-2012, 22:07
I don't know why some are saying that this is going to be a weak draft. I just updated my mock draft and I'm really happy with our options. Our worst case scenario would be to take one of Vasilevski/Subban/Dansk. I only see that happening if we finish more towards 23+. If we draft where we currently are (20), we have amazing options. Getting one of Teravainen/Koekkoek/Aberg/Gaunce/Pouliot/Maatta/Lindholm/Girgensons/Collberg/Faksa/Skjei/Finn. Count me in for that. There are even some others that I wouldn't mind having that I have going later in the 1st round, but at that point I might take one of the goalies.

Also, Galchenyuk is returning tonight.

Dr. Doom
03-15-2012, 13:28
ISS March
http://thepipelineshow.blogspot.com/2012/03/iss-march-rankings.html

devilzrule27
03-16-2012, 17:21
Galchenyuk hurt again. Shoulder. This could hurt his draft stock considerably.

Dr. Doom
03-16-2012, 19:34
Galchenyuk hurt again. Shoulder. This could hurt his draft stock considerably.
No fucking way! What happened?

Edit: His shoulder popped out or something and apparently he has full strength again. We'll see how true that is.

I wonder if he drops if this ends up being something that takes a little time to come back. I don't know how we could pass on him if he drops.

devilzrule27
03-16-2012, 22:59
No fucking way! What happened?

Edit: His shoulder popped out or something and apparently he has full strength again. We'll see how true that is.

I wonder if he drops if this ends up being something that takes a little time to come back. I don't know how we could pass on him if he drops.

If he drops past 15 he becomes a can't "pass up" type a guy for everyone in that range.

For his sake I hope he is ok. At the game they were all talking about how he had no movement in his arm. But if they say he's at full strength then good for him. You have to wonder at this point how much more he tries to play this year.

Dr. Doom
03-17-2012, 06:10
I saw a thing that said he will be back for playoffs.

Dr. Doom
03-18-2012, 15:30
ISS March top 50 (updated for the 31-50 rankings)
http://tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=61251

Dr. Doom
03-19-2012, 13:16
So, who are going to be this year's players that rise during CHL playoffs? It happens every year.

devilzrule27
03-19-2012, 13:22
So, who are going to be this year's players that rise during CHL playoffs? It happens every year.

I think Tom Wilson could have a big postseason. Seems like the kind of guy teams would go gaga over if he does. Big physical kid, teams love that.

devilzrule27
03-19-2012, 13:30
Di Guiseppe has a chance win back some of that good will he had during the beginning of the year with a strong NCAA tourny. He played well during the CCHA playoffs and Michigan's on of the favourites for the NCAA so he could have a big run. Let's see if he puts up some numbers.

Dr. Doom
03-19-2012, 13:33
I think Tom Wilson could have a big postseason. Seems like the kind of guy teams would go gaga over if he does. Big physical kid, teams love that.
I want to stay away from him. He has 3rd liner or bust written all over him to me. I'm sure someone will take him in the 1st round though.

Di Guiseppe has a chance win back some of that good will he had during the beginning of the year with a strong NCAA tourny. He played well during the CCHA playoffs and Michigan's on of the favourites for the NCAA so he could have a big run. Let's see if he puts up some numbers.
I think he ends up going in the 2nd round and could end up being a steal for whoever picks him.

Lord Ned Stark
03-19-2012, 13:39
i hope we draft pontus assberg

devilzrule27
03-19-2012, 13:41
I want to stay away from him. He has 3rd liner or bust written all over him to me. I'm sure someone will take him in the 1st round though.

Me too, unless he falls. I can just see teams lining up for him though hoping they get the next Lucic but they end up with the next Mike Rupp.


I think he ends up going in the 2nd round and could end up being a steal for whoever picks him.

he could climb back in. He had a great February and March so far. 9 points in 12 games dancing between the 2nd and 3rd line. But he needs to continue that into the NCAA tourny and Michigan needs a deep run otherwise like you said he's a second rounder. And yeah I'm with you I think he can be a steal. I can see him having a bigger season next year as he'll have a bigger role on the team with Wohlberg and Glendening gone.

devilzrule27
03-19-2012, 13:42
i hope we draft pontus assberg

pointy assberg would be a great addition!

Lord Ned Stark
03-19-2012, 13:45
is it basically impossible for galchenyuk to fall to us?

Dr. Doom
03-19-2012, 13:50
i hope we draft pontus assberg
I'd like him more than Teravainen, but I think he goes before we have a chance to select him.

Me too, unless he falls. I can just see teams lining up for him though hoping they get the next Lucic but they end up with the next Mike Rupp.

This is exactly how I feel, which isn't horrible, but you don't want that type of player with your 1st round pick. He is a safe pick and someone that has a depth of forward prospects will take him.

is it basically impossible for galchenyuk to fall to us?
It is possible. With his injuries and a weak playoffs or short playoff run, he could fall a little. We would probably have to trade up to ensure no one takes him though. I think he would get scooped up by Washington if he somehow made it that far down anyways. They have plenty of forward prospects to not rush him and they love their Russians.

devilzrule27
03-19-2012, 13:52
is it basically impossible for galchenyuk to fall to us?

perhaps if he blows his knee out again when he comes back again. haha

Lord Ned Stark
03-19-2012, 13:53
i wish i knew more about these prospects. all i can tell you is how good they are in hockey ultimate team.

Dr. Doom
03-21-2012, 21:42
I updated my mock draft. We are currently picking 19th and I have us taking Aberg. From the last mocks I've made we will probably be picking 18-20. I have a feeling we will probably be seeing a couple of trades on draft day.

I can't wait until the standings are finalized so I can have the order of the draft set.

Getzo5
03-22-2012, 02:08
Galchenyuk and Yakupov are both ready to play.

Dr. Doom
03-26-2012, 15:04
Good posts about Teuvo Teravainen. I'm really liking picking him if he is around where we are picking. I'd even say that he could possibly be the most talented forward after Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, and Forsberg.
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showpost.php?p=46754875&postcount=165
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showpost.php?p=46755617&postcount=169

Dr. Doom
03-26-2012, 21:57
Updated mock:


1. Columbus – Yakupov
2. Montreal – Grigorenko
3. Edmonton – Murray
4. Minnesota – Galchenyuk
5. New York Islanders – Trouba
6. Toronto – Forsberg
7. Anaheim – Reinhart
8. Carolina – Dumba
9. Tampa Bay – Ceci
10. Winnipeg – Rielly
11. Buffalo – Faksa
12. Washington – Collberg
13. Calgary – Gaunce
14. Washington – Maatta
15. Los Angeles – Girgensons
16. Phoenix – Pouliot
17. Dallas – Koekkoek
18. Ottawa– Aberg
19. New Jersey – Teravainen
20. Chicago – Finn
21. Buffalo – Lindholm
22. Philadelphia – Skjei
23. Tampa Bay– Vasilevski
24. Pittsburgh – Hertl
25. Florida* – Wilson
26. San Jose* – Matteau
27. Boston *– Sissons
28. Vancouver* – Bystrom
29. New York Rangers* – Samuelsson
30. St. Louis* – Matheson

I could really see Carolina trading down. They are currently in an area just after all the top forward prospects are gone, but there are still top defensive prospects. If I remember correctly Carolina doesn't like taking defensemen in the 1st round. Taking any other forward would be a reach where they are. I don't think I would be surprised if Phoenix trades down either.

I have a feeling there will be a good amount of trades during the draft this year.

Dr. Doom
03-28-2012, 09:17
Someone I'd like to see us take in the 2nd round if he is available is Tim Bozon.

Getzo5
03-28-2012, 10:06
This reminds me... I need to know more about potential 2nd/3rd rounders.

Dr. Doom
03-28-2012, 21:07
This reminds me... I need to know more about potential 2nd/3rd rounders.
I don't know too much about the 2nd/3rd round. I kind of know some players I'd be happy if we drafted. I couldn't tell you much about them though.

Dr. Doom
03-29-2012, 09:28
Another guy that would be great in the 2nd/3rd round would be Coda Gordon. He plays for Swift Current and in his rookie season put up 30g 23a +2 in 66gp. Being a plus on that team is impressive.

Dr. Doom
03-29-2012, 13:09
A good goalie for the later rounds would be Matt Murray. He will probably be the 4th goalie taken after Vasilevski, Subban, and Dansk.

Dr. Doom
03-31-2012, 22:04
I know no one probably cares but here's my updated mock as of the current standings.


1. Columbus – Yakupov
2. Edmonton – Murray
3. Montreal – Grigorenko
4. Minnesota – Galchenyuk
5. Toronto – Forsberg
6. New York Islanders – Dumba
7. Anaheim – Trouba
8. Carolina – Reinhart
9. Tampa Bay – Ceci
10. Winnipeg – Rielly
11. Calgary – Collberg
12. Buffalo – Faksa
13. Washington (Colorado) – Aberg
14. Washington – Maatta
15. San Jose – Gaunce
16. Dallas – Pouliot
17. Ottawa – Koekkoek
18. Phoenix– Girgensons
19. New Jersey – Teravainen
20. Chicago – Finn
21. Tampa Bay (Detroit) – Vasilevski
22. Buffalo (Nashville) – Lindholm
23. Philadelphia– Skjei
24. Pittsburgh – Hertl
25. Florida* – Wilson
26. Columbus (Los Angeles)* – Bystrom
27. Boston *– Matteau
28. Vancouver* – Samuelsson
29. St. Louis* – Matheson
30. New York Rangers* – Sissons

Teravainen is starting to look like he is going to make a last minute push up the rankings. I hope he is around where we are, but it is starting to look less likely. I'd gladly take anyone that is higher on this list though if he isn't available.

Getzo5
04-01-2012, 05:43
I still want Gaunce. He might not end up as a star, but solid depth center/winger is always needed.

If we re-sign Parise and Josefson continues producing... can you imagine the 3rd line that consists of Coleman, Henrique and Gaunce? Sweet zombie Jeebus.

There are many players I like in this draft class, sucks that you never know who`s going to make it to the top.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5nSn40Jtu8&ob=av2e

Dr. Doom
04-01-2012, 09:23
I'm hesitant of the Faksa, Gaunce, Girgensons type. They could really pan out and be a huge force. The good thing is usually because of their style they at least become a 3rd line type of player. For me it would depend on who would be available. I'm actually going to make a ranking for the top 30 right now instead of a mock draft since there are selections that are made because of who the team is.

I'm not sure how helpful this is because there isn't an order but it could be useful to bring up some names you haven't seen.

Dr. Doom
04-01-2012, 09:39
If I was drafting for the Devils this is roughly what my top 30 would look like. It obviously wouldn't include Matteau, but he is top 30.


1. Yakupov
2. Murray
3. Grigorenko
4. Galchenyuk
5. Forsberg
6. Trouba
7. Dumba
8. Reinhart
9. Rielly
10. Ceci
11. Collberg
12. Teravainen
13. Aberg
14. Maatta
15. Faksa
16. Pouliot
17. Gaunce
18. Koekkoek
19. Girgensons
20. Finn
21. Lindholm
22. Skjei
23. Vasilevski
24. Hertl
25. Bystrom
26. Wilson
27. Samuelsson
28. Matteau
29. Matheson
30. Sissons

Devilsfanatic
04-01-2012, 09:47
I'd draft Matteau.

jkrdevil
04-01-2012, 10:18
I'd draft Matteau.

I would riot, if only because if the kid made it that would mean having to sit through replays of that goal a million times during telecast.

Devilsfanatic
04-01-2012, 10:21
I'd hope that one day, he'd be the guy who eliminates the Rangers from the playoffs with an OT goal.

Getzo5
04-01-2012, 10:46
I'd hope that one day, he'd be the guy who eliminates the Rangers from the playoffs with an OT goal.I`d love that to happen but you know what the odds are.

Darius Dangleaitis
04-01-2012, 11:11
Best player available.

No one knows what the team will look like in 2-3 years when the pick is NHL-ready.

Dr. Doom
04-01-2012, 11:34
Best player available.

No one knows what the team will look like in 2-3 years when the pick is NHL-ready.
We agree most of the time, but statements like this says something while saying nothing. BPA is such a vague statement.

I said it earlier, Teravainen would be an absolute steal if we were able to grab him around 19. He is really close to Collberg for the 5th best forward in the draft. By the time the draft is around he will probably be my 5th favorite forward in the draft.

Devilsfanatic
04-01-2012, 11:36
BPA isn't working for the Oilers. They should draft on need. They needed Larsson more than RNH.

Dr. Doom
04-01-2012, 11:43
BPA isn't working for the Oilers. They should draft on need. They needed Larsson more than RNH.
I'll give them RNH. But when Oilers fans say they should take Grigorenko/Galchenyuk over Murray I'm just shocked. Murray is on the same level as them with defensemen.

They make good points here about how the Oilers have to draft by need this year. It's in the first couple of minutes.
http://thepipelineshow.com/clips/season_7/Coda_Gordon_Mar27.mp3

Devilsfanatic
04-01-2012, 11:45
I still don't think they needed RNH at all. He's special, but, so is Larsson. It should have gone:

Larsson
RNH
Huberdeau
Landeskog

Dr. Doom
04-01-2012, 11:49
I still don't think they needed RNH at all. He's special, but, so is Larsson. It should have gone:

Larsson
RNH
Huberdeau
Landeskog
You just want Landeskog :laugh:

The first 4 picks went in the order I predicted them to go. Oilers couldn't pass on RNH because he was the clear cut best. Colorado had to take Landeskog because of how good he is and their need for a forward. Same deal with Florida and Huberdeau.

On a completely unrelated note. Florida is going to be good next season with Huberdeau.

Devilsfanatic
04-01-2012, 11:55
Well, yeah :laugh:

I figured it would go the way it went too. I'd like to have Landeskog, real bad. Especially since Harrold is better than Larsson anyway.

Dr. Doom
04-01-2012, 11:57
Well, yeah :laugh:

I figured it would go the way it went too. I'd like to have Landeskog, real bad. Especially since Harrold is better than Larsson anyway.
http://i41.tinypic.com/2yv2z3t.gif

Darius Dangleaitis
04-01-2012, 12:08
We agree most of the time, but statements like this says something while saying nothing. BPA is such a vague statement.

I said it earlier, Teravainen would be an absolute steal if we were able to grab him around 19. He is really close to Collberg for the 5th best forward in the draft. By the time the draft is around he will probably be my 5th favorite forward in the draft.

True, but I just don't like the idea of drafting based on need when the dude we pick this year probably won't be in the NHL until 2014-15.

Positional depth on a team changes year-by-year (or even month by month). Just look at how deep we are now when, at one point, Boulton was the third line LW.

Who knows, Lou & Co. might have Teravainen as the best player on the board when we pick.

Dr. Doom
04-01-2012, 12:15
True, but I just don't like the idea of drafting based on need when the dude we pick this year probably won't be in the NHL until 2014-15.

Positional depth on a team changes year-by-year (or even month by month). Just look at how deep we are now when, at one point, Boulton was the third line LW.

Who knows, Lou & Co. might have Teravainen as the best player on the board when we pick.
I have no problem with defense. I definitely don't want goalie in the 1st round. It's proven that you can find goalies in the later rounds if you want one. There is also UFA from college. And then just normal routes like UFA and trades.

devilzrule27
04-01-2012, 12:55
I have no problem with defense. I definitely don't want goalie in the 1st round. It's proven that you can find goalies in the later rounds if you want one. There is also UFA from college. And then just normal routes like UFA and trades.

Im a no go on first round goalies as well. They are just to high risk and the payoff isn't great considering you are nearly as likely to strike gold drafting one in the later rounds.

Devilsfanatic
04-01-2012, 13:13
The Devils shouldn't have taken Brodeur in the 1st round. There were better picks in the later rounds that were just as good. :sarcasm:

Dr. Doom
04-01-2012, 13:14
The Devils shouldn't have taken Brodeur in the 1st round. There were better picks in the later rounds that were just as good. :sarcasm:
Stop being an ***.

Devilsfanatic
04-01-2012, 13:17
Stop being an ***.

I will never sacrifice who I am.

devilzrule27
04-01-2012, 13:27
The Devils shouldn't have taken Brodeur in the 1st round. There were better picks in the later rounds that were just as good. :sarcasm:

based on percentages your damn right we shouldn't have. We could have easily ended up with Trevor Kidd. And guys like Roy and Hasek weren't taken in the first round so my point stands. ****.

Devilsfanatic
04-01-2012, 13:42
based on percentages your damn right we shouldn't have. We could have easily ended up with Trevor Kidd. And guys like Roy and Hasek weren't taken in the first round so my point stands. ****.

But they're no Brodeur. BAHAHAHAHAHA.

vonbonds
04-01-2012, 13:46
If Edmonton couldn't get past RNH as the BPA but their most desperate need was for Larsson they should have traded down a few spots or just taken Larsson #1 overall. BPA is great to say but it is always easiest getting a player in the draft rather than via a trade or FA because the price is usually too high.

Not that anyone is serious (I hope not) but Brodeur was a great first round pick. That was before the gigantic pad era when being a goalie meant something a bit more than it does today.

Darius Dangleaitis
04-06-2012, 16:39
I want Dansk with our second rounder.

Dr. Doom
04-06-2012, 17:12
I want Dansk with our second rounder.
I'd do a backflip if that happened, but I doubt it. Some believe he is the best goalie in the draft. I think the trio is all gone by the time our 2nd round pick comes up. We should be able to get someone of good value in the 2nd round though.

I'm curious if Faksa's stock drops because he got a concussion in the playoffs. I wouldn't mind drafting him. He's a big center with some offensive upside.

Getzo5
04-06-2012, 17:20
OT: I heard John Hayden might be an interesting pickup next year.

Darius Dangleaitis
04-06-2012, 17:25
I think we should pick up Matteau if he's available. He's been described as a more skilled Tyler Biggs that plays with more of an edge.

*ducks and covers*

Dr. Doom
04-06-2012, 17:27
I think we should pick up Matteau if he's available. He's been described as a more skilled Tyler Biggs that plays with more of an edge.

*ducks and covers*
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m20vkwrP2n1r3rdaho1_250.gif

Getzo5
04-06-2012, 17:29
I think we should pick up Matteau if he's available. He's been described as a more skilled Tyler Biggs that plays with more of an edge.

*ducks and covers*You better should. haha

I don`t even like Biggs to be honest.

devilzrule27
04-06-2012, 17:32
Biggs is poo.

Dr. Doom
04-06-2012, 17:34
Biggs is poo.
Brian Burke :laugh:

Dr. Doom
04-06-2012, 20:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm7rJQTp0Xk&feature=player_embedded

Darius Dangleaitis
04-06-2012, 20:27
I don't really like Biggs either. It was all part of the con.

Darius Dangleaitis
04-06-2012, 20:30
Yakupov is so nasty. Sucks he's going to a hockey black hole and we'll hardly hear from him.

Dr. Doom
04-06-2012, 20:41
Yakupov is so nasty. Sucks he's going to a hockey black hole and we'll hardly hear from him.
Idk man. I think Columbus ends up in the lottery again next season and they draft MacKinnon or Jones. Maybe they trade Nash for some sort of package. It sucks to say because they have some vets there, but they are in rebuild mode. First step is firing the GM.

devilzrule27
04-06-2012, 22:24
Yakupov is so nasty. Sucks he's going to a hockey black hole and we'll hardly hear from him.

I don't like you.

Getzo5
04-07-2012, 08:06
He really reminds me both Kovy and Ovie.

Plus there is some semblance of defense in his play and he`s not afraid to take it to the net. Me likey.

Dr. Doom
04-07-2012, 08:13
He really reminds me both Kovy and Ovie.

Plus there is some semblance of defense in his play and he`s not afraid to take it to the net. Me likey.
He reminds me more of Hall than either of those guys. He isn't nearly as big as Kovy or OV.

The only thing that I've started to notice is that he likes to do that cut across the crease move, which is how he got hurt. He needs to be careful with **** like that in the NHL. As a #1 pick, people are going to be going for him. I really wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't rushed into the NHL, but that is always said of the #1 pick and they always end up playing.

Getzo5
04-07-2012, 08:22
He reminds me more of Hall than either of those guys. He isn't nearly as big as Kovy or OV.

The only thing that I've started to notice is that he likes to do that cut across the crease move, which is how he got hurt. He needs to be careful with **** like that in the NHL. As a #1 pick, people are going to be going for him. I really wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't rushed into the NHL, but that is always said of the #1 pick and they always end up playing.He doesn`t have the size, but his play is almost identical. Hall is a different animal.

He got hurt because he did that while coming into the zone, that`s a big difference. Sure Volchie would lay him out in front (crease), but he wouldn`t get a concussion from that.

I agree in principle though, he absolutely has to be more aware, that`s really my only knock on his play. That said, he`s ready and should play right from the start. RNH absolutely wasn`t and look what happened. Sure he suffered a shoulder injury (who would`ve thought that right? :sarcasm:) but still.

EDIT: I also see a little bit of Forsberg in him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GllEDACUbNo

Dr. Doom
04-07-2012, 08:25
I don't know how you don't see Hall's play when watching him. I think they are very similar. I see a little of OV when watching him.

Getzo5
04-07-2012, 08:34
Their skating is not nearly similar. Hall also takes the puck to the outside rather than makes a cut. He`s also not a puck carrier and doesn`t dipsy-doodle or fancy dancy much. His defense is subpar and his physicality is not one of his premier assets. Their shooting and passing skills are also different.

Dr. Doom
04-07-2012, 08:45
I think his skating is similar. They are both fast. We'll see how much cutting he is making and dipsy-doodling he is doing in the NHL. There is less time and space which leads to taking the puck to the outside. I wouldn't say Yakupov's defense is so great either. Hall is decently physical. Even Hall is bigger than Yakupov.

Getzo5
04-07-2012, 08:51
Yes, they are both fast... are they similar skating style-wise? Nope. Good point, but then again, he has all the tools to be able to do that in the NHL too.

I didn`t say Yakupov`s defense is great but Hall`s defense is mediocre at best. He`s a pure offensive player, his positioning and decision making is Tedenby-esque, his stickwork even worse. I don`t know if that`s a compliment to Tedenby or not, I just confused myself. haha

Hall was more physical in junior, I honestly don`t remember the last time he made a solid check. Let`s see how Yakupov`s game translates first though.

Size matters... well, not every time.
Speed kills... well, not every time.

Dr. Doom
04-07-2012, 10:08
I just think that Yakupov will dominate with his speed. He has a nasty shot too, but I don't think it's on the level of Kovy/OV. It's tough to compare him with Kovy/OV/Forsberg because those guys dominate with their size too.

Yakupov will be a star player.

Dr. Doom
04-07-2012, 11:08
Apparently Teravainen has been playing well in the playoffs, but his team is down 0-3 in the series. He has been playing center lately (plays wing too). It looks like he might make it to U-18 after all.

Dr. Doom
04-07-2012, 11:42
I'm not sure who knows, but since LA made the playoffs Columbus gets their 1st round pick. If they had missed Columbus would have been able to choose between 2012 or 2013.

Dr. Doom
04-07-2012, 22:24
Here is the updated mock draft.


1. Columbus – Yakupov
2. Edmonton – Murray
3. Montreal – Grigorenko
4. New York Islanders – Galchenyuk
5. Toronto – Forsberg
6. Anaheim – Trouba
7. Minnesota – Dumba
8. Carolina – Reinhart
9. Winnipeg – Ceci
10. Tampa Bay – Rielly
11. Washington (Colorado) – Collberg
12. Buffalo – Faksa
13. Dallas – Maatta
14. Calgary – Aberg
15. Ottawa – Pouliot
16. Washington – Girgensons
17. Columbus (Los Angeles) – Vasilevski
18. San Jose– Gaunce
19. Chicago – Finn
20. New Jersey – Teravainen
21. Tampa Bay (Detroit) – Dansk
22. Philadelphia – Koekkoek
23. Buffalo (Nashville) – Skjei
24. Pittsburgh – Hertl
25. Florida* – Wilson
26. Phoenix* – Samuelsson
27. Boston *– Matteau
28. St. Louis* – Lindholm
29. New York Rangers* – Frk
30. Vancouver* – Bystrom

Dr. Doom
04-09-2012, 14:01
CSS Final Rankings
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectbrowse.htm?cat=1

vonbonds
04-09-2012, 14:09
I wonder if this is the year we forfeit our pick.

Dr. Doom
04-09-2012, 14:13
I doubt it, unless we make it to the ECF or win the cup. We are currently picking 20th.

vonbonds
04-09-2012, 14:46
I doubt it, unless we make it to the ECF or win the cup. We are currently picking 20th.

What is the consensus on the depth of this years first round versus next years projections? If next year is deeper I can certainly see us doing it this year. We have to do it this or next year, correct?

Dr. Doom
04-09-2012, 14:50
What is the consensus on the depth of this years first round versus next years projections? If next year is deeper I can certainly see us doing it this year. We have to do it this or next year, correct?
I don't know much about next year's depth. But even if people thought next year was extremely deep it wouldn't matter because everyone thought this year would be extremely deep. Now everyone is running around saying that this year isn't very deep.

I feel right around 20 is where the dropoff is, which is luckily where we are. It will come down to how Conte and Co. feel about the prospects. I'm sure just like every year there will be guys that go higher than you thought and guys that will drop.

I believe last year was the 1st of the 4 years we have to forfeit the pick. So after this draft, we would have two more years to forfeit. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

vonbonds
04-09-2012, 14:56
I don't know much about next year's depth. But even if people thought next year was extremely deep it wouldn't matter because everyone thought this year would be extremely deep. Now everyone is running around saying that this year isn't very deep.

I feel right around 20 is where the dropoff is, which is luckily where we are. It will come down to how Conte and Co. feel about the prospects. I'm sure just like every year there will be guys that go higher than you thought and guys that will drop.

I believe last year was the 1st of the 4 years we have to forfeit the pick. So after this draft, we would have two more years to forfeit. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

I have heard the same thing which is why I am wondering if this is the year they just deal with it.

Tao Jones
04-09-2012, 14:58
The Devils will determine in which year between 2011 and 2014 they will surrender their first-round pick, and they are to advise the NHL the day after the Stanley Cup Final ends in that calendar year.


http://devils.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=537382

Dr. Doom
04-09-2012, 15:11
I have heard the same thing which is why I am wondering if this is the year they just deal with it.
It happens every year. After the draft everyone will be talking about how the draft was deep.

Getzo5
04-10-2012, 10:48
Am I the only one who`s excited to watch the lottery? Is it weird? lol

Dr. Doom
04-10-2012, 11:10
I'm excited for it, but I probably won't watch it because I will probably be studying.

Devilsfanatic
04-10-2012, 11:34
I can't imagine Leafs winning the lotto, I would laugh so fucking hard. Also, if Columbus DOESN'T win the lotto I will laugh my *** off.

Dr. Doom
04-10-2012, 15:48
So, I've decided to put studying on hold until after the lotto. I'm probably going to be up late anyways because I can't fall asleep early.

Getzo5
04-10-2012, 16:09
Can you guys find a stream? I see nuttin.

Dr. Doom
04-10-2012, 16:13
I'm gonna watch it on NBCSP. Sorry. I'd check HF. I'm sure there will be something. I remember finding a stream last year.

Getzo5
04-10-2012, 16:36
I went to the TML board and found this:

http://www.ourleafs.blogspot.ca/

I also got a brain cancer.

devilzrule27
04-10-2012, 16:41
Go jackets!

Getzo5
04-10-2012, 16:47
Go jackets!Wrong. Go Ducks/Wild. I want to see more talent on the Ducks (imagine if they got Dumba)/Wild get out of the basement.

That way Edmonton either gets bumped or stays at #2 and the Blue Jackets get Nail regardless.

Dr. Doom
04-10-2012, 17:16
Teravainen at 10 on McKenzie's list. Looks like my dream won't come true.

Dr. Doom
04-10-2012, 17:18
You have got to be shitting me!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

JimEIV
04-10-2012, 17:22
Hahaha!!!!! They're all fucking losers.

Dr. Doom
04-10-2012, 17:23
Hahaha!!!!! They're all fucking losers.
hey, be careful. we were pretty much one of those losers last year.

Zajac's Bowl Cut
04-10-2012, 17:23
so Edmonton has to trade a forward now right?

Clarkson Falls Down
04-10-2012, 17:24
Tambellini looked like a pig in **** even before they won. What a loser.

jkrdevil
04-10-2012, 17:24
The Oilers will probably trade the pick is my guess. The can drop down a few places and draft a defenseman

Getzo5
04-10-2012, 17:24
"Look at that grin on the loser's face"

I want to throw up. Poor BJs fans. lol

I still think EDM will take a D. They can`t be that stupid, can they?

Getzo5
04-10-2012, 17:26
Button delivers again. bahaha

JimEIV
04-10-2012, 17:26
"Look at that grin on the loser's face"

I want to throw up. Poor BJs fans. lol

I still think EDM will take a D. They can`t be that stupid, can they?

No way! They are taking Nail.

jkrdevil
04-10-2012, 17:27
Button delivers again. bahaha

Didn't he have Larsson in the late teens or 20s last year?

jkrdevil
04-10-2012, 17:27
No way! They are taking Nail.

Then someone is getting traded

Lord Ned Stark
04-10-2012, 17:52
Urbom and tedebby for eberle

Getzo5
04-10-2012, 17:54
Don`t tempt me frodo!

Dr. Doom
04-10-2012, 17:57
My biggest surprise was how high Teravainen was on those lists :( There is no way we get him anymore.

Getzo5
04-10-2012, 18:00
My biggest surprise was how high Teravainen was on those lists :( There is no way we get him anymore.There is no way Button is right. lol

Dr. Doom
04-10-2012, 19:09
There is no way Button is right. lol
McKenzie had him at 10. That list is based off 10 NHL scouts...

Dr. Doom
04-10-2012, 23:02
I've got to say this is going to be an exciting draft. I think there's going to be a good amount of trades and reach picks. There really isn't much of a consensus once you get past the top 8-10 players. I do feel like there is a group in 10-25 that is definitely above 25+, but you never know. There is some really good talent available at those spots.

Getzo5
04-11-2012, 10:32
McKenzie had him at 10. That list is based off 10 NHL scouts...Interesting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Vlt-lpVOY&feature=related

Dr. Doom
04-11-2012, 11:30
Yeah, I was hoping he would be our steal. I'm starting to hope we can get Aberg or possibly someone else. I wouldn't mind some of the d-men there either. Some reaches would be Wilson or Samuelsson. I personally don't think either of those guys are more than 3rd line players. I'd say Samuelsson is the better of the two also. Their benefit is that they would definitely add size and toughness to a team and they are safe picks.

Zajac's Bowl Cut
04-11-2012, 11:31
if we win a round, we will forfeit the pick this year IMO

Dr. Doom
04-11-2012, 11:37
if we win a round, we will forfeit the pick this year IMO
If we win a round we don't move up in the have a higher pick. Not until you make it to the ECF. We could possibly have a lower pick if teams that are lower than us end up making it to the ECF/WCF and Stanley Cup.

I won't be shocked if we forfeit the pick. I do think there is plenty of talent to choose from though. My worst case scenario is taking a high rated goalie prospect like Dansk. We would be able to keep him in Sweden, so that he doesn't fill up spots in Albany. Then we could bring him over when the time is right. I'm also not a fan of taking a goalie in the 1st round though.

Devilsfanatic
04-11-2012, 11:39
This is the year I forfeit that pick.

Zajac's Bowl Cut
04-11-2012, 11:47
what I would do is forfeit and use some of our later picks to move back up into the first

Dr. Doom
04-11-2012, 11:54
I'm not sure we could move up into the first, but I would try to get at least two 2nd round picks if we forfeited our 1st.

I'm in the boat of trying to stack up as much talent as possible before we give up the pick.

I do see the theory that says we know we are picking high this year and we don't know where we will be in the next couple of years so lets just get rid of the pick so that we don't have to possibly get rid of a lower pick in the future.

Getzo5
04-11-2012, 12:21
I agree with Doom.

Dr. Doom
04-11-2012, 12:27
I agree with Doom.
In which aspect? haha

onefatsurfer
04-11-2012, 12:36
If Conte thinks there will be a special player in the range of our pick, I'd rather hold onto it and forfeit next year's 1st. If he thinks we'd have to be lucky for someone of that level to fall to us, I'd prefer us forfeit it.

Don't forget about the value of that extra year in the prospect's development and Lou's desire to win now. Plus, our developing prospects like Larsson, Urbom, Tedenby, Josefson, etc. might help us go even further in the playoffs than we do this year.

I predict that we keep the pick unless we make the ECF or better.

Getzo5
04-11-2012, 12:36
I'm in the boat of trying to stack up as much talent as possible before we give up the pick.

I see a dropoff at 23, draft Koekkoek or whoever fell a couple of spots and run.

2014 is my guess. Depends though.


I predict that we keep the pick unless we make the ECF or better.The only reasonable scenario IMO. :dunno:

onefatsurfer
04-11-2012, 12:38
I'm still so pissed that we have to forfeit this pick (and the 3rd). It's obviously still worth it, but we didn't break any fucking rules.

Getzo5
04-11-2012, 12:40
Call me crazy but I still believe Lou will take care of that...somehow. :laugh:

onefatsurfer
04-11-2012, 12:41
and hopefully get a compensatory pick to make up for our lack of a 3rd.

Getzo5
04-11-2012, 12:47
I don`t see any chance of that happening. lol

Dr. Doom
04-11-2012, 13:03
I could give a list of people I'd be happy with drafting and that would be in our range, but I don't think people care that much :laugh:

Getzo5
04-11-2012, 13:06
I do. That said, I think I like the same names so whatever. haha

Dr. Doom
04-11-2012, 13:10
i'm in class, so i have plenty of time to make a quick list. i'll whip one up real quick.

devilzrule27
04-11-2012, 13:13
I like Tomas Hertl. Has great size and natural skills but lacks speed. I like those players that do work. Could be a future Zubrus with better hands.

Dr. Doom
04-11-2012, 13:20
Here is a list of players that might be available and my order of how I would rank them:

Teravainen
Collberg
Faksa
Maatta
Pouliot
Girgensons
Gaunce
Finn
Aberg
Koekkoek
Skjei
Lindholm
Bystrom
Hertl
Di Giuseppe
Samuelsson
Kerdiles
Pokka
Prokhorkin
Slepyshev
Wilson
Frk

Goalies:
Dansk
Vasilevski
Subban

Getzo5
04-11-2012, 13:25
Here is a list of players that might be available and my order of how I would rank them:

Teravainen
Collberg
Faksa
Maatta
Pouliot
Girgensons
Gaunce
Finn
Aberg
Koekkoek
Skjei
Lindholm
Bystrom
Hertl
Di Giuseppe
Samuelsson
Kerdiles
Pokka
Prokhorkin
Slepyshev
Wilson
Frk

Goalies:
Dansk
Vasilevski
SubbanMy friend is a big fan of his (CSKA fan).

I didn`t expect such a long list. :laugh: I`m not sure how I feel about drafting Maatta though.

Other than that, I pretty much like the same bunch of guys.

Dr. Doom
04-11-2012, 13:29
The thing is that 10 of those guys will be gone by the time we are drafting. That's why I made the list so long. It doesn't mean the top 10 will be gone, but I'd say 10 of them will be gone and possibly one of the goalies.

I think Maatta will be a great pick up. Supposedly he has been playing really well for London.

Dr. Doom
04-11-2012, 14:13
Also, guys like Samuelsson, Kerdiles, Pokka, Prokhorkin, Slepyshev, Wilson, and Frk, might be available in the 2nd round.

devilzrule27
04-11-2012, 14:28
I hope Frk slips down to us in the second round. Good talent but doesn't know how to use it yet. Also has some weight issues but that can be corrected. I still think he's an early second rounder though. Samuelsson would be a great pickup as would a guy like Cristoval Nieves, in my opinion. Both guys have a good combo of size and skill and both know how to use those assets.

Wilson is going ot get gobbled up by some team in the first round. There is no doubt about it at this point. Scouts are drooling over him with his play in the postseason so far. I just have to hope our scouts, or columbus' scouts, are not the ones who want him.

Getzo5
04-11-2012, 14:31
Can we haz two Zharkovs?

Dr. Doom
04-11-2012, 14:32
I hope Frk slips down to us in the second round. Good talent but doesn't know how to use it yet. Also has some weight issues but that can be corrected. I still think he's an early second rounder though. Samuelsson would be a great pickup as would a guy like Cristoval Nieves, in my opinion. Both guys have a good combo of size and skill and both know how to use those assets.

Wilson is going ot get gobbled up by some team in the first round. There is no doubt about it at this point. Scouts are drooling over him with his play in the postseason so far. I just have to hope our scouts, or columbus' scouts, are not the ones who want him.
Frk needs to improve his conditioning and skating. I have doubts he is an NHL player.

Can we haz two Zharkovs?
I'm down with two Zharkovs.

devilzrule27
04-11-2012, 14:33
One who can score but has no idea what defence is and one who is fantastic defensively but has no idea what the back of the net is. If only we could combine them into some sort of super player. haha

devilzrule27
04-11-2012, 14:36
Frk needs to improve his conditioning and skating. I have doubts he is an NHL player.



He has NHL type skills. No doubt he needs a better work ethic and more commitment to the game but that's easier to get then skill. If someone can get him to have buy in then they have a heck of a player on their hands. As for his skating it reminds me of Couturier's. It's a negative but it can be overcome.

Also wouldn't mind getting Stepan's brother. He's a project player but man can he skate and his hands are golden. He's lanky but he'll have 3 or 4 years to fill out in college.

Dr. Doom
04-11-2012, 14:42
One who can score but has no idea what defence is and one who is fantastic defensively but has no idea what the back of the net is. If only we could combine them into some sort of super player. haha
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5756/344309-fusion3_super.jpg

He has NHL type skills. No doubt he needs a better work ethic and more commitment to the game but that's easier to get then skill. If someone can get him to have buy in then they have a heck of a player on their hands. As for his skating it reminds me of Couturier's. It's a negative but it can be overcome.

Also wouldn't mind getting Stepan's brother. He's a project player but man can he skate and his hands are golden. He's lanky but he'll have 3 or 4 years to fill out in college.
From what I've heard, his skating is pretty bad.

I'm down with taking Stepan's brother. Can skate and golden hands? Sounds good to me.

devilzrule27
04-11-2012, 14:58
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5756/344309-fusion3_super.jpg

From what I've heard, his skating is pretty bad.

I'm down with taking Stepan's brother. Can skate and golden hands? Sounds good to me.

I think part of his skating issue is his conditioning. Improve that and he will naturally become a better skater, to a degree.

As for Zach Stepan I think he might go in the 3rd round. He plays a soft game so that will certainly deter teams away who think he's been sheltered playing high school hockey at Shattuck. I like the skill that I hear about, I've heard people say he's a better passer then Derek and to me that says a lot. I'm excited to see him at Ohio State next year so I can really get a good look at him.

Devilsfanatic
04-11-2012, 15:26
I'd take Stepans brother just so that we have a chance at the greatest American born player of all time when he hits FA.

Getzo5
04-13-2012, 09:24
Edmonton - Yakupov
Columbus - Grigorenko
Montreal - Galchenyuk
Islanders - Murray
Toronto - Forsberg

You can quote me on this for the draft, unless a trade is made.Well, I expect a trade to be made. 4 forwards in the top 5? I dunno.

Dr. Doom
04-13-2012, 09:29
If Edmonton keeps #1 there is too much pressure to take Yakupov to not take him.

Columbus needs offense, especially if they trade Nash. Murray is probably the second best player in the draft, but Columbus will try to get a center so they have a 1-2 center punch for the future. Grigorenko over Galchenyuk, because of the small sample size of Galchenyuk this season and his injury.

Montreal is desperate to grab the only remaining elite center of the draft.

Islanders are happy that Murray falls into their lap, similar to us and Larsson. They continue to build upon a good young defense for the future.

Toronto takes the last elite forward of the draft. They already have a lot of defense for the future.

I think Edmonton should trade their pick and move down a couple of spots, but they won't. There won't be a big enough offer to move into #1 because while Yakupov is great, he isn't a generational talent.

devilzrule27
04-13-2012, 09:40
Columbus will not take Grigorenko, not a chance in hell. Nor should they. They need to take Gally or a dman. At this point it's probably a dman, probably Murray which is whatever. I don't think he is the best in the draft but most do. Then with the kings pick they will take a forward.

Don't forget they took Boone Jenner and TJ Tynan last year who are both centers, although Tynan will likely be a winger based on what I've seen at Notre Dame. So they have some depth at center. Not to mention the team still has confidence in Brassard. They are weak on the wings however and certainly need to address that at some point in the draft.

Getzo5
04-13-2012, 09:47
If Edmonton keeps #1 there is too much pressure to take Yakupov to not take him.

Columbus needs offense, especially if they trade Nash. Murray is probably the second best player in the draft, but Columbus will try to get a center so they have a 1-2 center punch for the future. Grigorenko over Galchenyuk, because of the small sample size of Galchenyuk this season and his injury.

Montreal is desperate to grab the only remaining elite center of the draft.

Islanders are happy that Murray falls into their lap, similar to us and Larsson. They continue to build upon a good young defense for the future.

Toronto takes the last elite forward of the draft. They already have a lot of defense for the future.

I think Edmonton should trade their pick and move down a couple of spots, but they won't. There won't be a big enough offer to move into #1 because while Yakupov is great, he isn't a generational talent.I don`t buy any of that, sorry.

Agreed with devilsrule.

Big#D
04-13-2012, 13:01
Columbus seems to have a decent bunch of top 4 dmen though. Enough at least that they don't have to really worry about drafting a future star. Who knows though what their organization looks like if they happen to trade Rick Nash away. If they get a bunch of quality forwards, they might go defence. If they trade him for a dman, they'll definitely need some forwards.

Columbus is a wild card in my opinion.

Getzo5
04-14-2012, 17:11
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showpost.php?p=48001653&postcount=932

Interesting. I know some people (via my friend) in the CSKA organization. I`ll ask them for more info.

Tao Jones
04-14-2012, 17:14
Is he the guy who got banned here after four posts or was that someone else?

Getzo5
04-14-2012, 17:18
Yes and no. :laugh: Ask DF, he should tell you the whole story.