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VaxjoDevil
01-01-2012, 20:41
OK, so I am making this GDT since I'm at the game. I know 1) Dr. Doom should probably do it, and 2) I should wait until midnight or whatever, but for 1) I think Doom is OK with it and 2) I don't give a **** about that.

I'll be right behind the benches, I think, so if you see an ugly Swedish guy with a pretty Asian wife, that's us. I will be wearing a black hood with a big NJD logo on it, and she'll have the Devils jersey on.

http://1.cdn.nhle.com/devils/images/logos/extralarge.png

21-15-1, 43 pts.

Line-up:

An old goalie that can still play, a bunch of second and third pair defensemen, a very good defenseboy, and some pretty high quality forwards. Plus Tedenby, who is like the vase you never know where to put in the room after cleaning.

http://cdn.nhl.com/senators/images/logos/extralarge.png

19-15-5, 43 pts.

Colin Greening - Jason Spezza - Milan Michalek
Erik Condra - Kyle Turris - Daniel Alfredsson
Nick Foligno - Zack Smith - Bobby Butler
Kaspars Daugavins - Zenon Konopka - Chris Neil

Filip Kuba - Erik Karlsson
Jared Cowen - Sergei Gonchar
Chris Phillips - Matt Carkner

Craig Anderson
Alex Auld

Let's win this.

Dr. Doom
01-01-2012, 20:50
I don't care about the gdt. Actually I prefer to not make it haha.

Lets go Devils and have a fun time at the game.

VaxjoDevil
01-01-2012, 20:57
Just to clarify, the don't give a **** part was uniquely for waiting until midnight, lol.

devilzrule27
01-01-2012, 22:45
19:30 doesn't exist on my clock! Oh Noes!!!!!!!!!!!

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 09:10
Volchenkov is out tonight.

VaxjoDevil
01-02-2012, 14:03
Arrived in Ottawa. Cold as ***. Nice city, though.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 14:37
Trying a new beer for the game tonight. Raging ***** IPA from Flying Dog Brewery.
8.3%

Lord Ned Stark
01-02-2012, 15:26
Trying a new beer for the game tonight. Raging ***** IPA from Flying Dog Brewery.
8.3%

nice. how is it? im sippin on some number 9 my dad got me.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 15:26
If you like hoppy beers this is worth trying.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r166/JimEIV/photobucket-2605-1325546433674.jpg

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 15:29
Got it at the Buy Rite on rt 27 in N. Brunswick

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 15:46
Where is everyone! It's almost pregame!

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 16:10
The fan voting for the NHL All-star game is such a joke

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 16:33
****, after listening to Doc this afternoon, it's going to be tough to listen to Cangi.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 16:36
****, after listening to Doc this afternoon, it's going to be tough to listen to Cangi.

It's always tough to listen to Cangy, regardless of who you listened to previously (except maybe the Pens duo).

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 16:38
Lets go Devils!

And I'm going to the game against Boston on Wednesday, so there goes one of my few times to listen to Doc do a Devils game this year.

Would rather be at the game though of course.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 16:39
It's always tough to listen to Cangy, regardless of who you listened to previously (except maybe the Pens duo).

I still haven't decided if he is bad, or just not Doc?

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 16:42
Sloppy start

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 16:43
WWhat the hell is this start?

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 16:44
I don't think Cangy is bad but he's no way Doc. Doc was like filet mignon and Steve a five guys burger. The five guys is good, but if you ate it too much you'd probably get a funny feeling eventually.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 16:46
I don't think Cangy is bad but he's no way Doc. Doc was like filet mignon and Steve a five guys burger. The five guys is good, but if you ate it too much you'd probably get a funny feeling eventually.

I have a tendency to agree.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 16:49
This might be the worst PP I've seen.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 16:49
Devils look like they are stuck in mud.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 16:49
Marty looks sharp.

devilzrule27
01-02-2012, 16:51
I still hate our 4th line. All they do is ice the puck.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 16:51
Devils look like they are stuck in mud.

Yeah, I feel like Marty is going to have to keep them in this...at least for this period.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 16:52
I still hate our 4th line. All they do is ice the puck.

Hopefully that changes somewhat with Josefson returning.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 16:53
Yeah, I feel like Marty is going to have to keep them in this...at least for this period.

Luckily it looks like Ottawa isn't off to a sharp start either. Lets see who wakes up first.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 16:53
Devils making some really bad passes off the boards that are leading to turnovers.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 16:54
I have a tendency to agree.

I think he's just bad. In fact, he's gotten progressively worse IMO. At first I thought it was just his voice I couldn't stand, but he mispronounces names, or just gets names completely wrong far too often. Also doesn't know what's going on too often.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 16:55
Ewww dubstep playing in Ottawa...

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 16:57
They need to pick it up quickly.

devilzrule27
01-02-2012, 16:57
Ewww dubstep playing in Ottawa...

Don't be hatin on dubstep. Bwoooooooom wubwubwubwubwub

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 16:57
Wow, the Devils look horrible so far!

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 16:58
Awful 4th line needs to go.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 16:59
I think he's just bad. In fact, he's gotten progressively worse IMO. At first I thought it was just his voice I couldn't stand, but he mispronounces names, or just gets names completely wrong far too often. Also doesn't know what's going on too often.

Seems overly critical / harsh.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:01
TThis is one worse played games I've seem them play in a while.

doc e
01-02-2012, 17:01
Does not get much closer than that. Wow that sucks.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:02
Seems overly critical / harsh.

I just don't like him much.

What is Chico looking at? It was never close to in. Dunno what the ref is doing either.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:02
Coulda used that one.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 17:02
Anyone else's sound not working?

EDIT: nevermind had it on the SAP

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 17:02
Anyone else's sound not working?

GCL is working for me.

guyincognito
01-02-2012, 17:04
Ref must have gotten his holiday drinking started late, he was the only person on the ice that thought it was a goal. Ottawa announcers are awful. Help me

doc e
01-02-2012, 17:07
Larsson almost broke the glass with that snap shot. Hit the net, though kid.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:08
Kovalchuk's decision making has been significantly better over the last month. His willingness to dump when there is nothing there has been an epiphany

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 17:08
And now my audio is ahead of the play. I'm paying more attention to fixing this than watching the game.

devilzrule27
01-02-2012, 17:09
Ref must have gotten his holiday drinking started late, he was the only person on the ice that thought it was a goal. Ottawa announcers are awful. Help me

Potvin is really making me hate him. Brutal.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:09
4th line momentum killers.

I dunno that having Kovy on this line benefits anything.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:10
Elias has gotta shoot there.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:10
Close Sykie...

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:12
Sens really overload the puck. If the Devils could string a couple good passes together they'd get a lot of odd man chances.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:12
I was not happy about Sykora making this team but he has represented himself well.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:14
Ugly period.

guyincognito
01-02-2012, 17:14
Could have be worse. This **** is going on mute until the second period starts. :laugh: It's so dry it's putting me to sleep

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 17:15
Neither team was ready for the start of this game. Hopefully the second period gets this game in gear.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:15
Carp?

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:16
Foster looks like he has definitely eaten some lead paint as a child.

Tao Jones
01-02-2012, 17:21
Team FO 29%

Henrique 1 for 8, 2 SOG
Zajac 0 for 0 (NJD FO% has been over 50% since Zajac's return), 1 SOG

Salvador 8:25, 1 blocked shot
Larsson 8:25, 1 blocked shot
...
Foster 4:14 (lowest D TOI), 1 blocked shot

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 17:23
29 percent? Jeez, I thought it was bad but that's really bad.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:26
Big fan of the mountain climbing chick in the Citi bank card commercial.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:29
This is usually the suck period.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:32
Big fan of the mountain climbing chick in the Citi bank card commercial.

What is it the beautiful body or the outdoorsy nature? Seriously what's not to like there?

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 17:33
The 3rd is the suck period, the 2nd is the good one.

And that's a dumb penalty by Kovalchuk

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:33
That was dumb. Don't want to get hacked, don't sit on the puck.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:36
Nice dive.

Huge moment of the game. Will determine the rest of the game.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:37
This Pk is just amazing. Best I've ever seen in New Jersey ever.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:40
The PK is a major bright spot.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 17:41
Tallinder hurt.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:41
Not sure how that's not a penalty. Might be a D man down. Again.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:43
One year, I think it was 1989 or 1990 Doug Brown was pretty amazing on the Pk but nothing like this.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 17:44
One year, I think it was 1989 or 1990 Doug Brown was pretty amazing on the Pk but nothing like this.

Ha, I remember that too!

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 17:44
Now my screen has froze. Fuckin thing.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:45
Foster fail.

4th line on as well. Nothing good happens when they're out there.

Tao Jones
01-02-2012, 17:46
Ha ha Sherry Ross just said Cory Foster.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 17:47
Foster is one huge slow twitch muscle. He just lumbers out there stuck in 1st gear, he has nothing else to shift into.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:48
Very Zubrus like goal.

guyincognito
01-02-2012, 17:48
lol, he's learning, it's happened to him so many times he now knows how to do it

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 17:48
Just a bevy of mistakes by both D and the Devs get the first.

guyincognito
01-02-2012, 17:49
Kovy's jumping the pass gave them that chance.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:49
Condra always looks good against the Devils.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:49
Did Zubrus ever touch that???

Tao Jones
01-02-2012, 17:49
Sykora ties Don Lever and petr Klima for career goals.

Elias ties Ted Lindsay for career points.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 17:51
Helluva play by Zajac there. Probably saved a goal.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:51
Did Zubrus ever touch that???

Yes. He had a shot on the rebound that trickled through. He tried to stuff it in after and missed, but he initially shot it.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 17:52
**** that ****. Konopka falls into the boards to draw a call and then Neil throws a couple of punches at Larsson. They better make this 4 on 4.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:53
You know, not much good happens when the 3rd line is on either.

Larsson is going to log big minutes with Tallinder out.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:55
Looks like Tallinder is back.

doc e
01-02-2012, 17:57
Fuckin right boys

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:58
Great work by Tedenby there.

guyincognito
01-02-2012, 17:58
Watching that post PK shift and a half without sound, I can imagine the Benny Hill theme playing

guyincognito
01-02-2012, 17:58
Hey, Clarktard scored while I was typing that

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 17:58
Hahahaha. There is no way they should be up 2-0

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 17:59
Pound Neil's face in

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 17:59
And useless 4th line starts a fight that can only fire up the Sens.

guyincognito
01-02-2012, 17:59
here comes the Andrew Peters Memorial Stupid Fight After We Score

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 17:59
Is that the equivalent of a slam dunk in basketball? :laugh:

doc e
01-02-2012, 18:00
nice fucking job Boulton. what a brawl.

Vinnie
01-02-2012, 18:01
Don't like fighting with a slim lead, but then again I like seeing Neil get punched in the face.

devilzrule27
01-02-2012, 18:01
And useless 4th line starts a fight that can only fire up the Sens.

Deboer put them out for that. It was obvious Ottawa was going to look to start something and Debo obliged.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 18:02
Is that the equivalent of a slam dunk in basketball? :laugh:

No, a dunk is far easier and requires far less talent.

More like a tap in putt in golf.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 18:04
Lol...Clarkson leads the devils in goals! Give that man 100 million dollars!

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 18:05
Hahahaha. There is no way they should be up 2-0

Meh. It's not like the Sens have been good either.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 18:07
Kovalchuk turnover to kill the great shift...

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 18:08
Meh. It's not like the Sens have been good either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy. Good teams win this kind of game, and I'm somewhat impressed.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 18:09
Clarky...I love you baby!

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 18:12
I think this will be an interesting 3rd.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 18:13
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy. Good teams win this kind of game, and I'm somewhat impressed.

Absolutely! I am impressed both teams are playing poorly but it is the Devs on top by 2 goals. This is a very positive sign!

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 18:14
I think this will be an interesting 3rd.

Unfortunately I do also.

Tao Jones
01-02-2012, 18:18
Team FO up to 35%

Henrique 2 for 11, 3 SOG
Zajac 0 for 2, 1 SOG
Kovalchuk 0 for 1, 3 SOG, 1 blocked shot, 1 hit
Sykora 4 SOG
Fayne 3 blocked shots, 1 hit

Foster lowest D TOI

Spezza 15 for 18

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 18:18
I like how Larsson is imposing himself a bit more on offense lately. He hasn't taken any undue risks and seems to be finding a nice balance. He is really coming together quite nicely going into the second half of the season.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 18:21
Larsson is two full years away from be imposing physically.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 18:24
I love his blend of poise and meanness. Not a very common trait.

Classic Devil
01-02-2012, 18:25
Larsson is two full years away from be imposing physically.

Mid-20s Larsson is going to be something awesome to watch.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 18:27
Yep....interesting

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 18:28
Ugh.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 18:28
Inevitable.

devilzrule27
01-02-2012, 18:28
What the **** fayne?

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 18:29
Whose mistake was that? Fayne?

Yeah looks like Fayner screwed up a bit there.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 18:31
That's not a penalty? Pretty much the definition of tripping there :laugh:

devilzrule27
01-02-2012, 18:31
was that our 4th line getting some offensive pressure?

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 18:32
That's not a penalty? Pretty much the definition of tripping there :laugh:

Yeah not getting the calls tonight.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 18:34
was that our 4th line getting some offensive pressure?

A rare and nearly unbelievable occurrence indeed.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 18:36
Ottawa is starting to buzz around. We need a little pressure of our own here.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 18:39
Timely break of the glass. The Devils can use this to settle down their game.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 18:39
Foster fail

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 18:39
Timely break of the glass. The Devils can use this to settle down their game.

So he's good for something?

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 18:41
This arena crew is slow.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 18:45
Fayne is having a rough go of it tonight.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 18:48
Sloppiest change ever.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 18:49
Ugh...

devilzrule27
01-02-2012, 18:53
I actively hate power plays.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 18:53
Foster...

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 18:54
Faceoffs have been abysmal tonight.

Yay PP! :facepalm: Condra ALWAYS does well against NJ.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 18:54
The Devils just aren't skating well tonight. This PP is another stuck in mud situation...

doc e
01-02-2012, 18:55
Shorty....whattaya know.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 18:55
That SHG is purely on Marty.

Vinnie
01-02-2012, 18:55
Another fucking shorty. Marty's gotta have that.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 18:55
Well, they will be extraordinarily lucky to get a point out of this. Feels like another quick goal coming from Ottawa.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 18:58
That's bad on Marty, but I've just about had it with this PP in general. Just embarrassingly bad lack of movement or energy.

jkrdevil
01-02-2012, 19:00
I don't care if we somehow go on to win the Stanley Cup. I don't want to see Adam Oates' face around this team next year.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:02
I don't care if we somehow go on to win the Stanley Cup. I don't want to see Adam Oates' face around this team next year.

Seriously what has he brought? They still stink on faceoffs and the PP is the worst it's ever been and by far the worst in the league.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 19:02
Both teams look terrible..LOL

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 19:03
Foster is really bad.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:04
Wow Karlsson made Henrique look REALLY slow.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:07
Icing :facepalm:

devilzrule27
01-02-2012, 19:07
Wow Karlsson made Henrique look REALLY slow.

Well Karlsson is freaking fast also every Devil has been slow tonight. Reaching for everything instead of skating.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:09
Barely get one...

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:09
Well Karlsson is freaking fast also every Devil has been slow tonight. Reaching for everything instead of skating.

That was a compliment to Karlssons speed, not a knock on Henriques.

Classic Devil
01-02-2012, 19:09
I don't care if we somehow go on to win the Stanley Cup. I don't want to see Adam Oates' face around this team next year.

I wonder if Lou has ever fired an assistant coach midseason. I can't think of one.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:11
Cue the Benny Hill theme.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 19:12
Devils turnover count tonight: 1,221,456

Vinnie
01-02-2012, 19:13
This OT is making my eyes bleed.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:13
These two teams stink :laugh:

What a poorly played game.

devilzrule27
01-02-2012, 19:14
Where was this pressure in the 3rd...

EDIT and they take a penalty of course.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:14
And Clarkson probably just ended the game.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 19:15
**** that. That's no penalty.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:16
They have no gas in the tank

doc e
01-02-2012, 19:16
**** you clarkson

**** you

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 19:16
**** you.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:17
That was one of the worst displays of hockey by two teams I've seen in a long time.

As good as Marty was, two weak goals...

Lord Ned Stark
01-02-2012, 19:18
shortside

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 19:18
Absolutely! I am impressed both teams are playing poorly but it is the Devs on top by 2 goals. This is a very positive sign!

What a fucking moron I am. Lou needs to rattle the cage, this horse **** 3rd stuff has to be addressed.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 19:18
That was a horseshit 3rd by the Devils but an even more horseshit call on Clarkson there.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 19:20
We can get down on the Devils all we want..Marty fucking blew this game! That SHG was awful.

devilzrule27
01-02-2012, 19:21
We can get down on the Devils all we want..Marty fucking blew this game! That SHG was awful.

That said the Devils aren't even in the game if not for Marty during the first two periods.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:22
If ever there was a game that neither team deserved a point, this was it. The effort by both of the teams wouldn't have got a win against an AHL team let alone an NHL team. They must have been partying hard for New Years.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 19:23
Pete says this was a "good point"...

C'mon Pete. This is a bad point.

devilzrule27
01-02-2012, 19:24
Anyway here's to a better game against Boston. Let's get two points back home.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 19:28
DeBoer's teams, like Sutter's teams don't know how to close a game. Sorry but the coaching sucks. It is a system that doesn't understand winning.


God bless Jacques!

Krinkle
01-02-2012, 19:30
what a fucking aggravating game. after that **** show of a winter classic I was alll happy we were steamrolling these guys.

Then the 3rd started.

This team is fucking soft. And Tallinder - you fucking blow with a capital B. Clear the goddamned puck out - don't try to get cute and deke around a guy, what the **** is that guy thinking.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:32
DeBoer's teams, like Sutter's teams don't know how to close a game. Sorry but the coaching sucks. It is a system that doesn't understand winning.


God bless Jacques!

I really don't think it's the system, I think it's the players. They just can't handle the increased pressure of a team pressing to come back against them. They've tried to sit back with a lead, and they blow it. They try to keep up the pressure with a lead, and they blow it.

Now one thing that is different for JL is that I feel like there is actually a good chance they can come back when trailing in the 3rd.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 19:34
It's the system. These idiot junior coaches are used to having the best talent in the country and players that will run through a wall for them and they think that somehow translates to the NHL.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 19:34
^

Yeah I think it goes both ways. Jacques system hid the flaws in the D, but really covered up the potential in the offense, where it seems to be reversed here with Pete. Although I think that the Devils have gotten average goaltending this year whereas in years past they got exceptional goaltending that covered up some flaws.

Overall I think when you see the personnel get better on D - and that will come from maturation from guys like Larsson and Fayne mainly - you'll see the D get better.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:38
There are really only 2 things I have against DeBoer.

1. His complete and utter unwillingness to change the PP and
2. his 4th line philosophy.

Otherwise, I like what he's done and I think he could lead this team where they want to go.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 19:39
^

Yeah I think it goes both ways. Jacques system hid the flaws in the D, but really covered up the potential in the offense, where it seems to be reversed here with Pete. Although I think that the Devils have gotten average to goaltending this year whereas in years past they got exceptional goaltending that covered up some flaws.

Overall I think when you see the personnel get better on D - and that will come from maturation from guys like Larsson and Fayne mainly - you'll see the D get better.

The highlighted above is probably the best statement about this team so far. On average the goaltending has been average and we are used to a much higher standard. The teams flaws aren't being covered up anymore. I honestly doubt Jacques could do much more with this team this year..we would probably be losing the same amount of games but in much tighter games.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 19:42
^

Yeah I think it goes both ways. Jacques system hid the flaws in the D, but really covered up the potential in the offense, where it seems to be reversed here with Pete. Although I think that the Devils have gotten average to goaltending this year whereas in years past they got exceptional goaltending that covered up some flaws.

Overall I think when you see the personnel get better on D - and that will come from maturation from guys like Larsson and Fayne mainly - you'll see the D get better.

Winning.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 19:43
Oh yeah. When he gets better players he'll win more? Any fucking coach can do that!

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 19:45
Oh yeah. When he gets better players he'll win more? Any fucking coach can do that!

This isn't the NFL. Do you think coaches can honestly influence bubble teams to a cup? Usually at the end of the day it is the best teams that go deepest in the playoffs minus super goaltending feats from time to time.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 19:47
It's not like their record is that bad. With the team composed as it currently is they would struggle to play consistent hockey game after game under any coach. I like JL as much as anyone, but I don't think they would necessarily have a better record under him than they have under DeBoer for the reason described above.

We had to expect this before the season even started, and losing Greene and Volchenkov doesn't help. Don't forget Pete was missing Zajac for a long time too.

devilzrule27
01-02-2012, 19:47
Well this has gotten dumb.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 19:48
Oh yeah. When he gets better players he'll win more? Any fucking coach can do that!

Well that's the goal isn't it? I mean Jacques is a great teacher of the game but his system could only take a team so far. You have to have great players. 2 years ago we took the 2 seed with a pretty pedestrian roster, but when push came to shove the series against Philly showed what kind of team it really was - and the quality of a D that the team had.

Like I don't think that Claude Julien is anything special as a coach, but it doesn't really matter when you have a roster that Boston does.

To me the systems that guys like Jacques have and the Sutters and DeBoers of the world are all about tastes and preferences (and I clearly came to a better understanding and appreciation of Jacques after last year). I think all 3 are good coaches that teach the game a different way and have their teams play different styles. You still need the players either way.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 19:48
This isn't the NFL. Do you think coaches can honestly influence bubble teams to a cup? Usually at the end of the day it is the best teams that go deepest in the playoffs minus super goaltending feats from time to time.

Maybe not to the cup, but win marginal games for sure....and DeBoer and Sutter has lost every single marginal game they've been in, because the crux of their philosophy is having the best players.

onefatsurfer
01-02-2012, 19:48
They played like garbage, especially in the 3rd. I new they were done when the game got tied. They SUCK at holding a lead, and it's getting incredibly frustrating.

jkrdevil
01-02-2012, 19:48
Oh yeah. When he gets better players he'll win more? Any fucking coach can do that!

This post reminds me of when Herb Brooks left he complained that the team needed to be torn down completely and be rebuilt. The next two years they were double OT of Game 7 of the conference final and won the Stanley Coach. Always why I considered Brooks the worst coach in Devils history until I saw John MacLean coach last year.

As for this team there needs to be a mesh of the two systems. Use the current system to get the lead, and Jacques to protect it. Though at this point I would just take a competent PP that doesn't give up shorties by a bundle. That may mean about 8 points in the standings when the year ends.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 19:51
Well this has gotten dumb.

Why do you say that?

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 19:53
Herb Brooks was the worst coach in Devils history! And the fact that they fired McVie for him for no other reason was a travesty.

Big#D
01-02-2012, 19:57
One year, I think it was 1989 or 1990 Doug Brown was pretty amazing on the Pk but nothing like this.

I always like when guys like you and CD on the other site remind me of stuff that I had long forgotten. As much as the period of Devils hockey from 95 to 03 was exciting and filled with Cup prospects, the Devils teams of the late 80s and early 90s really were the some of the most exciting times as a Devils fans. It's like how all the songs when you were a teenager always seem better.

edit: apparantly CD from this site too.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 20:01
2-0, 3-0 leads are meaningless and the philosophy has everything to do with it. Count how many 2-1 games we won in the second half of last year. This team is not capable of winning those games.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 20:02
Tao needs a shot on the PP. I don't like what Foster has brought.

Big#D
01-02-2012, 20:04
Oh yeah. When he gets better players he'll win more? Any fucking coach can do that!

Don Cherry in Boston vs Don Cherry in Colorado

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 20:04
2-0, 3-0 leads are meaningless and the philosophy has everything to do with it. Count how many 2-1 games we won in the second half of last year. This team is not capable of winning those games.

The personnel on D last season was probably more suited to games of that type than this years D. White was great in late game, hold the lead situations.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 20:07
The personnel on D last season was probably more suited to games of that type than this years D. White was great in late game, hold the lead situations.

That can't be true. White is slow, old and a grenade handler.....I read it on Hockey's Future.

Big#D
01-02-2012, 20:08
The personnel on D last season was probably more suited to games of that type than this years D. White was great in late game, hold the lead situations.

So, essentially what you're saying is that Colin White is better than Bryce Salvador.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 20:10
So, essentially what you're saying is that Colin White is better than Bryce Salvador.

Yes. Significantly so, regardless of what HF said. Also, Greene was healthy as was Volch.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 20:13
Volchenkov is as good as White or Salvador ...nothing more.

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 20:13
So, essentially what you're saying is that Colin White is better than Bryce Salvador.

I was an avid poster against White on HF as I don't think his type of play is worth much in todays game (grenade hands with little to no offensive ability). But in the context of him versus Salvador then White is the better player. He is better at defense than Salvador and both are equally putrid on offense in my opinion.

JimEIV
01-02-2012, 20:18
And Paul Martin is worth more than all three.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 20:20
Volchenkov is as good as White or Salvador ...nothing more.


And Paul Martin is worth more than all three.

Don't tell HF that either. To HF, Martin is soft and overrated.

TheUnseenHand
01-02-2012, 20:21
And Paul Martin is worth more than all three.

Yeah obviously, but we're not getting him back...

vonbonds
01-02-2012, 20:21
And Paul Martin is worth more than all three.

Sure he is...but then we get into the discussion of "at what price"? He isn't worth his contract so far with Pittsburgh in my opinion. I forget his salary but it is 5 or 5+ Million and at that amount you need more point production than his 10 points in 32 games so far.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-02-2012, 20:38
Sure he is...but then we get into the discussion of "at what price"? He isn't worth his contract so far with Pittsburgh in my opinion. I forget his salary but it is 5 or 5+ Million and at that amount you need more point production than his 10 points in 32 games so far.

Well I first should say that I understand why and that I realize he probably wasn't coming back.

But, I'd rather have Martin at $5M per than Volchenkov at $4.25 and/or Tallinder at $3.35M - point production notwithstanding. You also have to remember that Martin was on our #1 PP unit and now he's taken a lesser role in that regard, which will mean less points.

Krinkle
01-02-2012, 21:37
I miss the days of 'game over' when it was a 1 goal lead going to the third.

Feels bad man

devilzrule27
01-02-2012, 21:43
I miss the days of 'game over' when it was a 1 goal lead going to the third.

Feels bad man

http://mybfolder.com/pics/8073-1288034169.jpg

VaxjoDevil
01-03-2012, 02:29
Just got into the hotel after a NASTY drive after the game. Somwhere north of Syracuse it was snowing like mad, couldn't see a thing in front of me.

Anyway, reading through this, you are a bit hard on them. A 2-0 lead is not solid for any team, it was such an even game that the puckluck just evened out in the third. I know it's easy to hate the SH goal but there really was some insanely bad luck involved in that.

Marty made a lot of important saves, not least in the final seconds of the game. Perhaps the SH was soft, but I don't care. He was really saving their butts so many times. Some things are funny to watch, since I sat right behind the Devils bench. The most passionate personality in there is Elias. Nobody is more pissed when things go wrong than that guy. Robinson is clearly having a daddy-role to Larsson. Tallinder pepping Fayne after the first goal against when he saw that Fayne was hanging a bit with his head was awesome, exactly what you want to see the veterans doing to the young players.

The crowd in there is pretty nice. They respect the game, and they don't act like morons. Place got pretty loud at the end. Arena is kind of a dump though. Lots of Devils fans.

The most bizarre thing happened: we went into a diner kind of place downtown to grab a bite to eat before the game. The manager sees my jersey and goes crazy about talking about NJ since he's from there. Then, he asks where I am from, and his wife is Swedish so he actually talks Swedish pretty well, because he used to live in Smaland. Where I come from. So he tells me he went to Vaxjo Lakers games when he lived there. World is just so small sometimes.

Turns out he owned restaurants in NJ, cashed in 5 years ago and moved to Greece, then everything went to hell there so he had to come back and start over kind of. Still just a bit weird he goes to Ottawa...hm.

Zajac's Bowl Cut
01-03-2012, 05:28
the powerplay NEEDS to change

like its been said, I like Pete and like what hes done, but the season is basically half over and its not changing or getting better

guyincognito
01-03-2012, 05:44
Couldn't see the third because of work, but can't say I was surprised. Hey, at least this time they got a point for their efforts. :laugh:

They will not win many 2-1 games, the Pens game was basically a fluke. And I am kinda wondering why they cut bait on White like some other people. I guess the upshot is that we're finally in a position where the replacements will be better than the guys they replace, in all likelyhood

onefatsurfer
01-03-2012, 05:44
how do they keep letting up these shorthanded goals?

guyincognito
01-03-2012, 05:51
Wow, that one was a disaster. Elias moves the puck about 3 inches, Zubrus, I dunno what he was reading, but he was too high and couldn't eliminate the play, Tao got spun around and probably could have been coned, and it was a pretty soft goal.

lol. It amazes me they constantly get into situations where they can't even take a penalty, that's just shittastic positional play. You shouldn't have to give up shorthanded goals unless it's some kind of great poach or jumped pass. You should be able to hook your way out of it, and to the box.

guyincognito
01-03-2012, 05:52
I have no context either, but that one was so late in the PP and it's a short change, so it was probably time for a dump and get the defensive defensemen out.
Not to attempt to do anything.... you're winning.

Big#D
01-03-2012, 07:03
Don't tell HF that either. To HF, Martin is soft and overrated.


Sure he is...but then we get into the discussion of "at what price"? He isn't worth his contract so far with Pittsburgh in my opinion. I forget his salary but it is 5 or 5+ Million and at that amount you need more point production than his 10 points in 32 games so far.


Well I first should say that I understand why and that I realize he probably wasn't coming back.

But, I'd rather have Martin at $5M per than Volchenkov at $4.25 and/or Tallinder at $3.35M - point production notwithstanding. You also have to remember that Martin was on our #1 PP unit and now he's taken a lesser role in that regard, which will mean less points.

Martin is soft and overrated. It doesn't mean he's not a good d-man though. I think that the question of price is exactly right. I also think that if you think Martin was staying with the Devils for $5M, you're crazy. He didn't want to be in NJ and he got paid. I think if the Devils offer him the same contract, he still goes to Pittsburgh. He might have stayed at $5.5M or $6M, and at that price, I'd rather have Tallinder.

Volchenkov is irrelevant to the Martin discussion, because Lou was going after him regardless of whether Martin signed or not. I'm pretty sure Lou signed Volchnkov with the hopes of making Salvador redundant and would have ditched Sal instead of White if it weren't for the injury.

vonbonds
01-03-2012, 07:40
Paul Martin hasn't played a game since Dec 16th because of injury.

I know Lou wanted Volchenkov and I get why with his body of work from Ottawa. He hasn't been a good acquisition though for us to date in my opinion. He is often hurt and seems skittish defensively quite often. He wasn't what I was expecting to be honest.

Zajac's Bowl Cut
01-03-2012, 07:51
Volchenkov has been fine. he is one of the main cogs in our #1 PK and his contract isn't THAT bad. its not like hes making $7 million.

you can't say hes injured often, IMO. hes missed only like 3 games this year. last year he missed like a month because he got hit in the face with the puck. its not like he was out with cramps or something

devilzrule27
01-03-2012, 09:01
Volch always misses time, typically because of the amount of times he will but himself between the puck and the net. Missing 10-15 games a year has been the norm for him.

That said I think he's fine. He benefits from playing with a defensive partner, as he did in Ottawa playing alongside Phillips, as he likes to occasionally roam for a hit. Once we get that right partner for him he'll be even better. I have no problems with his play.

JimEIV
01-03-2012, 09:48
4.25 for 6 years with a NTC for a stay at home defenseman is ludicrous.

Last year the Bruins signed UFA Seidenberg for 3.25 for 4 years

Which would you rather?

devilzrule27
01-03-2012, 09:59
For only a million more, Anton Volchenkov.

JimEIV
01-03-2012, 10:01
For only a million more, Anton Volchenkov.

Why would you want the inferior player in every measurable way from points to hits to block shots for a Million more and 2 extra years?

JimEIV
01-03-2012, 10:06
Volchenkov
Year Team GP G A Pts +/- PIM Hits BkS PPG PPA SHG SHA GW SOG Pct
2009-10 OTT 64 4 10 14 2 38 152 172 0 0 0 1 0 69 .058
2010-11 NJ 57 0 8 8 3 36 125 106 0 0 0 0 0 65 .000
2011-12 NJ 34 0 5 5 -7 20 74 68 0 0 0 1 0 28 .000

Seidenberg
2009-10 FLA 62 2 21 23 -3 33 133 179 1 7 0 1 0 116 .017
2010-11 BOS 81 7 25 32 3 41 161 174 1 10 0 0 2 166 .042
2011-12 BOS 35 2 9 11 13 20 67 73 0 4 0 1 1 72 .028

devilzrule27
01-03-2012, 10:16
Forget that we could have signed Brett Clark for a mil and a half!

devilzrule27
01-03-2012, 10:24
Why would you want the inferior player in every measurable way from points to hits to block shots for a Million more and 2 extra years?

Volch gets more hits per game.

Blocks are close.

We don't pay Volch to score.

I feel Volchenkov is a better defensive player.

2 extra years but Volch is a year younger.

I'll leave it at that.

Zajac's Bowl Cut
01-03-2012, 11:09
Jim, you can't use stats to say who is better. I personally like Seidenberg a lot and would probably take him for what we need, but still, using stats is not the answer.

Clarkson Falls Down
01-03-2012, 11:27
I'd personally take Seidenberg and not think twice. And he's not playing with Chara anymore either so that's not a reason for his good play.

I'll always take the 3 zone defenseman.

That being said, I think Volchenkov has played good. Not great, but good.

VaxjoDevil
01-03-2012, 15:57
The TG blog entry on DeBoer getting pissed at Q. about the SH goals is a bit funny.

Tao Jones
01-03-2012, 16:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKywSgQ4OHE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rgStv12dwA

VaxjoDevil
01-03-2012, 17:19
I know this game has the character of a "breaking down in third", but unlike the Wash. game where they played awesome for two and then fell apart, this was just a game where the mistakes led to goal against in the third. They could easily have been scored on a bunch of times in the first and second. Marty came up big a few times, and they were lucky a few times. They did not really play worse in the third than in the two first.

vonbonds
01-03-2012, 19:16
4.25 for 6 years with a NTC for a stay at home defenseman is ludicrous.

Last year the Bruins signed UFA Seidenberg for 3.25 for 4 years

Which would you rather?

This is exactly how I feel. I am not a fan at all...

Zajac's Bowl Cut
01-03-2012, 19:18
again, the cap hit is not an issue. its not like hes making $7 million or something

I think hes making too much too but its not that big of a deal to me, especially right now

vonbonds
01-03-2012, 19:27
again, the cap hit is not an issue. its not like hes making $7 million or something

I think hes making too much too but its not that big of a deal to me, especially right now

While I agree his salary isn't an albatross like Rolston's was he simply doesn't merit it. I honestly don't think a stay at home defensman role will exist in a few years the way we are used to seeing them (think Salvador or White). A player like Fayne or Tallinder (basically a lesser type two way defensman) will be the model going forward. Maybe I am way off base but grenade puck handling/off the glass passing defensemen don't seem to have a place in the game as it is currently played.

Zajac's Bowl Cut
01-03-2012, 19:32
its too early to say he doesn't merit it. its not even 1/4 of the way into his contract yet

I think we will see the true value of Volch whenever we play a playoff series

vonbonds
01-03-2012, 19:46
its too early to say he doesn't merit it. its not even 1/4 of the way into his contract yet

I think we will see the true value of Volch whenever we play a playoff series

I guess my feelings cloud my view of him...you are right, he isn't 1/4 of the way into his contract. I just want to see a lot more out of him.

VaxjoDevil
01-03-2012, 20:01
While I agree his salary isn't an albatross like Rolston's was he simply doesn't merit it. I honestly don't think a stay at home defensman role will exist in a few years the way we are used to seeing them (think Salvador or White). A player like Fayne or Tallinder (basically a lesser type two way defensman) will be the model going forward. Maybe I am way off base but grenade puck handling/off the glass passing defensemen don't seem to have a place in the game as it is currently played.

I think you are right.